b/c i'm sure he would trade tracy IF a great deal comes along. unfortunately, there won't be one. if there was one, it would have happened already. it's a 23 mil expiring contract. and what crummy team that wants to save cash can offer the type of players that will make us BETTER really? morey says specifically: "he wants an elite player, or a player that can eventually become elite" in terms of what he wants for tracy. you really think tracy just wants more shots and would like to play on a crummy team? that totally contradicts the belief that tracy forced the surgery so he would not be traded last yr. tracy wants to win. if his comeback goes well, he'll accept less to play with a contender, and that could very well be our rockets.
mine is more aligned with what morey and the team have been saying (via jon's reporting). you have been saying the team wants to trade tracy for the longest time, and they're done with him. really, that's what you posted. yet he's still here. and he just practiced with the team. and they're looking to welcome him back (from what turner/adelman/ariza/morey/les have been saying). so really, i'm not extrapolating that much.
again, according to you who thinks the team is "done" with tracy, why the need for PR? just read the actions of the team and how they have handled tracy since media day. it's obvious they want tracy to play, and play for the rockets, and regain his all-star form. morey/adelman/tracy have all said the same things -> all on the same page. however, i do agree that they WOULD trade tracy if they get a star player in return. morey would be foolish not to. but he has been looking for that the past 2 years.
i think you're onto something w/ that last line of yours... maybe they've been coddling tracy like this so that they can trade him.. remember what happened last time tmac knew he was about to get traded... maybe they're just keeping him tight on a string b/c they don't want him going back to steven a smith with a hysterectomy announcement sabotage when they finally ship him out this time
most trades that happen nowadays leak out days before they happen (except for a few that just come out of nowhere). but in regards to a star like tmac, it'll be national news. so no, "coddling" him wouldn't help jack. like i said, tmac is NOT going to get us a star that is established/rising. so most likely, if we don't resign him, he's just going to walk.
his contract can get us a star, we just may have to take on some toxic contracts also......as Dave_78 already mentioned, come jan/feb there will be numerous teams with disappointing seasons and/or balance sheets deep in red wanting to cut their losses and embrace tmac's $23M expiring.....
Dave, I've never heard morey ever talk about tradintg tracy. He said he knows he needs to get a all star type player, but that can mean a lot of things. Tracys value is his expiring contract and that what u sell to the fans of your city. That's what iverson value was because dumars wanted felxibility and wanted to get youngerf. Example, if sac wanted to dump martin, they wuld probably include nocioni so they can clear 20m off the books. Houston gets a young sg and sac gets cap space or cap flexibility. If the bulls wanted to make a huge run at wade, they would offer probably deng and maybe thomas so they could have 33m in cap space this summer. All those deals can be done now regardless of how healthy tracy is. None of the contenders have the young players or contracts to make a deal for tracy. If u have one,let me know.Its les and his value placed on a perrcieved star like tracy and he is a good guy. Now maybe morey can sell les like he did on trading the lotto pick, but les really,really likes tracy. Adelman knows a healthy tracy is his best player. Of course anything can happen, I just don't buy they're waiting for him to show so they can trade him.
Good trade ideas and they could be done now but no team wants to really unload right now because they want to see how their team is going to develop going into the trade deadline. They are all hoping they do well and they know if they decide to rebuild they can do so by trading for expirings at the deadline. If we trade McGrady, it isn't going to happen until the deadline unless Morey gets a deal he can't refuse, something like Amare and Barbosa for McGrady straight up, or perhaps CP3, Okafor, and Peja for McGrady, Brooks, Landry, expirings, and a couple draft picks. And the odds of a deal like that popping up before the trade deadline, it's just not going to happen. Every team wants to see what they look like. Every team wants to see how the other team's players look. If McGrady is traded it will be at the deadline. Morey is really in prime position here. He has all sorts of options at his disposal. If McGrady comes back and looks like an MVP candidate, his trade value goes through the roof, the Rox outperform, and we can always package Shane with expirings and possibly Landry/Lowry for a big time player at the deadline. Or we can turn around and get greater value for McGrady at the deadline by having more teams interested in his services going forward. Or we can still trade him for the expiring contract value he has now, only we will have more offers and an idea of how players are performing this year. We are going to acquire another superstar this year. It's simply a matter of time and who is going out. I believe either McGrady and expirings is going out or Battier, expirings and possibly Landry/Lowry are going out for a superstar.
You know these forums are fun whe they focus on potential trades, basketball theories, etc. but we are seeing less and less of that these days. The pyscology, ill will, hatred and mind reading need to go.
LEE has alot more inside cred around here then you ever will.... he clearly has ome sort of inside info. you however ..... hot air. lol
Scola, Brooks, Landry, and Ariza = .515 ball until McGrady returns. With guys like Hayes, Battier, and Lowry in and out of the starting rotation, I like our chances. The longer TMac is out, the more insurance will cover, I suppose. As a fan, I want to see McGrady on the court as soon as possible.
Jopatmc, I do know there have been deadline deals involving players, but the problem I see is those same teams that are not having the season go the way they want can do a lot better than tracy whether he's playing at a all star level or not. I can see deals going down, i'm just saying it doesn't matter how well tracy plays. You brought up paul as a example and shinn has been known to dump guys like Baron for one but like gasol, what are the other good young talent would n.o. be intersted in? To get paul, who I really like as a player is going to also mean taking peja and probably posey. You mentioned amare and that has been nixed mainly because adelman really didn't want amare and morey didn't want to take barbosa and his contract. I just think the rockets and morey are in no mans land and really unless something big really happen, the rox are about to be in no mans land. What's even scarier is the huge chips a team like Sa and Dallas has vs houston. Think about this and this is pure assumption, do you think a team would rather have manu and a player, josh howard and say dampier who has a partial for next yr, or tracy that expires after the season? I can paint a lot of scenerios in my head, sadly none nets the rox a elite player. By my book, its only about 4 of those guys in the league.
Funny how you got on him for thinking he knows the what management is up to but aren't you doing the exact same thing? What makes your statements any more valid than his?
I believe Morey will not hesitate to pull the trigger if a right deal for Tracy comes along. However, odds are against him with his unrealistic expectation of getting an elite player in return. It's most likely Tracy will play out the season from my pov. Whether his future is in Houston or not remains to be seen.
I was joking. He and a few other McGrady apologists love to scream bloody murder any time anyone draws a conclusion regarding McGrady or the team's opinion of him. I think it's ridiculous to come on a Rockets' fan discussion forum and snipe at other members when they try to draw a conclusion based on the information the team puts out or that the media reports. We are fans, that is what we do. I was just giving the young fellow a taste of his own medicine.
