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[Chron] McGrady practices with Rockets

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by llRainmanll, Oct 4, 2009.

  1. SmoothOperator

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    This seems like blind emotion to me. T-mac is 7th in all-time career playoff PER just behind Hakeem another known playoff beast.

    Your logical fallacy is that you assume because Tracy's participated in all first round exits that it's because of him or he's the main contributor.

    The more likely account is that it's his immense talent that turns a deep lottery team into a first round exit team. The "well he's a jerk to his teammates" argument is also very weak. Half the great players in the NBA are guys you wouldn't want to have a beer with or have them dating your daughter. Who cares? If you're going to bring that up, you have to do it for all...
     
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  2. larsv8

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    Very nice point.
     
  3. wekko368

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    It's applicable to the Orlando teams....not the Rockets or Raptors.
     
  4. t_mac1

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    he wasn't the main guy on the raptors so it's a moot point.

    but before adelman/morey came here, we couldn't win a game without tracy basically. and we went through long stretches without yao and won at the same clip.

    so outside of the last 2 years, the point smoothoperator brought up is a very interesting point.
     
  5. roslolian

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    Well Raptors was his rookie years, I dunno if you could blame him about that.

    As for the Rockets...the pre-DM era was made of Yao Ming, T-Mac and garbage. Did you forget we were rolling with Juwon Howard, David Wesley and recycled Knicks players?

    The largest reason the Rockets haven't made it out of the first round before last year was because of Yao Ming. Evertime playoffs came he was either injured, or manhandled by Okur and Boozer.
     
  6. ambrose86

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    DD will have no answer for this :D
     
  7. flamingdts

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    But...But... It's Yao. He is so hard working.
     
  8. fanheu

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    Yao have problems with Okur and Boozer??
    Sure!
    Cause It's five ,Not for one..
     
  9. fanheu

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    Yeah!
    Hardworking but not enough to get a ring.. :confused:
     
  10. roslolian

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    I'm just pointing that because he's not a hard worker like Yao, Tmac gets the brunt of the blame for our first round exit. I personally don't blame either of them, but if you're gonna blame T-mac for poor effort and results, just remember that Mr. "Lazy-eye Stacy" did more heavy lifting when it counted than Yao all these years.
     
  11. fanheu

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    I like T-Mac too..
    No one should be blamed..
    I believe we can get the O'Brien Cup if we get right person in right time..
    Alexand has enough money to support that..
    why he didn't do it??en~~
    That's a question! :mad:
     
  12. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Lies, darned lies, and statistics, PER is not exactly that great of an indicator.

    Fallacy, huh....how did he do in the 2nd round? And, the FACT is that he was the main contributor of all those teams, but he goes out and the team gets to the 2nd round.....Fallacy, no...it is a fact.

    Is that all his fault? No, but as the leader or the guy that controlled the ball, he has primary responsibility.

    How did that talent do on that Orando team that won only, what 20 games? He really led them then, didn't he? Oh wait, he admitted he quit on that team....huh...now who would have a problem with that?

    Tmac is his own worst enemy, some of you people like to pretend he has no history.......while a lot of us think history is a good indicator of him as a person and the future....that is the primary issue...

    We are not talking about half the players, but just because you say it does not make it so......

    We are talking about Tmac being a jerk to his teamates, and that he has some ground to make up there....

    I agree it is repairable, but if players don't like him or more importantly respect him, they won't exactly reach their potential as a team.

    DD
     
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    You've obviously forgotten about when McGrady was first traded for. The Rockets were looking lottery bound until CD traded for Wesley and Barry.
     
  14. TimBly15

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    most definitely
     
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    You're being a bit too harsh on T-Mac. We didn't get to the second round because T-Mac wasn't there. Yao played his best he could, Brooks took over the PG role and changed some traditions (poor shooting a.k.a Alston), and after all we played an inexperienced team in the Blazers. Do you think we would have made it pass the 1st round against the Jazz? No way. You'll soon eat your words once you see the 30ppg average T-Mac will set. lol
     
  16. Dave_78

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    Don't forget that he has been the leader on TWO teams that went up 2-0 (and a third team that went up 3-1) in a playoff series and went on to lose that series.
     
  17. IamKhan

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    It's Yao's fault that TMac never made it out of the first round here in Houston? Always blame others, it's so old for TMac and TMac fans.
     
  18. DaDakota

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    Sig worthy.......seriously...the guy probably won't even crack 20ppg.....and the team would be better off if that is the case.

    DD
     
  19. LCII

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    Maybe you're right, but look at Wade and Bron, especially Bron. Both of them were able to get further than the first round of the playoffs with rosters that were just as lacking in talent as the Rockets. If you look at the Cavs' roster before they picked up Mo Williams, it was absolutely horrendous. So why were Wade and Lebron able to do what T-mac has never done?
     
  20. DaDakota

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    They are better players......IMO.....

    See that is the crux of it, Tmac thinks he is on their level, and he just isn't....that is not to say he is not a good player, but he is not good enough to just win games and series by himself on a consistent basis.

    He is good enough to do it occasionally, and that is part of the problem....

    In order to succeed he, more than them, needs a good team around him....Tmac is a good player, but he tries too often to prove he is great, if he played more within himself and trusted his teamates with the ball more, the team would be better off...IMO.

    DD
     

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