i'd rather have T-mac miss the first couple of games and go out and be at a good healthy place, rather than him come out and end up hurting it and having to sit out for long...it is an 82 game season, missing 2-3 games won't hurt us
And as for the shoulder, McGrady says it's no longer an issue: "Ever since I stopped lifting weights, my shoulder's been fine."
You said that if McGrady doesn't want to play through pain, he should be traded. I don't know why you'd say that unless you believed that he's had a history of choosing not to play because of minor pain. If that's not what you meant, then I'm sorry for misinterpreting. If that is what you meant, than I was merely pointing out that recent history indicates McGrady has been more than willing to play through pain.
The Rockets would be crazy to offer this guy a long term extension, even if they win it all this year.
Not too concerned about this, as long as the horses are ready by April the 14 2009 in a comfortable playoff seed.
I said that if he only wants to play when he's 100% pain free (like the other poster said), then the Rockets should get rid of him.
I was speaking in terms of variety. Yao has foot problems. Tmac has back, knee, and shoulder problems.
Improper weight lifting can cause arthritis. Just like reading your posts can cause severe headaches.
And last season proves that isn't the case. I could just as easily say "If Yao only wants to play when he's 100% pain free, then we should trade him." Sure, history says otherwise, but who cares about history when we're talking in hypotheticals, right?
My original response was to the poster who said that Tmac doesnt want to play unless he's 100% pain free.
What excuse are you talking about? You tried make some argument about McGrady's shoulder not really being arthritic, and Hayesfan gave a perfectly legitimate rebuttal. That's an "excuse"?
Well guys, after reading those posts I belive some of you may be right. I mean he probably won't feel pain in his knee because he had the surgery long time ago. I remember him saying few days ago that all those concerns are mental. And maybe it is truth, the knee is probably still weak and he doesn't feel the confidence. It is important to feel confidence in your legs, it is a major thing for a basketball player. So maybe Tracy just wants the leg to get stronger.
And as for the shoulder, McGrady says it's no longer an issue: "Ever since I stopped lifting weights, my shoulder's been fine." My rebuttal was legit as well, You can't put words into his mouth,He said his shoulder is fine, he didn't say it was nagging him or there's going to pain on-going or there is no pressure because of this and that. He said his shoulder was fine PERIOD. hayes fan said to me just reading your post gives me a headache and my rebuttal dialecticly was I get a headache when I read about his excuses which in my opinion is legit and furthermore I am just expressing my views on the matter you can agree with or not it's my opinion, hayes fan was offended and attacked me personally by saying my post give him or her a headache.
Frankly, who cares? Among the punditry everybody and his dog basically predicted that T-Mac would miss a bunch of games. I'm going to make another blockbuster preidiction: T-Mac's probably not done missing games this season. Even if he comes back and plays after missing some games in the beginning of the season it's an easy bet that he'll get injured again and miss another string of games later on. The guy's body is breaking down. That's why getting Artest is so huge. The real question is whether or not the Rockets can all be healthy come playoff time.
You're the one putting words into McGrady's mouth and assuming he means that his shoulder is now 100% (and he was therefore exaggerating the problems earlier). What we're trying to tell you is that you can't make that assumption just based on that quote. The reasonable conclusion to draw is that he hasn't been bothered with shoulder pain since he's stopped lifting weights and, beyond that, we don't know if the pain could recur during the regular season or if he starts lifting again. Since his doctor has said that the shoulder is arthritic, and that condition won't just magically disappear on its own, it's reasonable to assume that the break from weight lifting has merely relieved the pain for the time being. She said that after you implied she was just making excuses for McGrady, instead of actually responding to her point. And this isn't about your opinions. It's about you making a bad argument. See above.
"You're the one putting words into McGrady's mouth and assuming he means that his shoulder is now 100% (and he was therefore exaggerating the problems earlier). What we're trying to tell you is that you can't make that assumption just based on that quote. The reasonable conclusion to draw is that he hasn't been bothered with shoulder pain since he's stopped lifting weights and, beyond that, we don't know if the pain could recur during the regular season or if he starts lifting again. Since his doctor has said that the shoulder is arthritic, and that condition won't just magically disappear on its own, it's reasonable to assume that the break from weight lifting has merely relieved the pain for the time being."
Actually I didn't say it at all. My response was to ask him exactly what about my post was an excuse? when in reality it was supposed to educate him on what exactly arthritis is and how it can manifest itself for some people. But your point still stands. McGrady saying that it hasn't been an issue since he stopped lifting weighs means he's not having pain in it right now. Doesn't mean that it's miraculously gone.
do you know what arthritis is? obviously when you stop lifting weights (which includes your shoulder), the arthritis may not be as problematic as before. and he has always said he can play through the shoulder arthritis. the knee has always been his main concern. his recovery is slower than expected. he thought he would be 100% by the opener with zero pain. obviously he still feels some pain. again, like i said, he's our main guy. if he feels pain in his knee (and we all know how his explosiveness/quickness depend on that), then let him sit out a few games. THE PLAYOFFS are the key. would you rather yao miss 70 games and play the playoffs last yr? play tmac when his body and mind are ready.
