i agree about Croshere Sane, he would certainly help spread the floor around Yao better, and our depth is dismal so someone who could play the 3 and 4 would help.........but why would MoT be a better fit for the Pacers than Austin???? i thought there 4 spot was reasonably set..... think his name is Jermaine O'Neal, plus Harrington and Foster... no sure how Mo gets his minutes unless Jermaine plays much more time at the 5... if he does then sure that is a nice 1-2 inside scoring presence in MoT and JO
It all a matter of preference. Taylor is the type of player that can win you the game with his scoring or lose you the game with stupid passes/shots, ball hogging, and poor rebounding/defense. Croshere is more of a Robert Horry type of role player. He’s not going to win you the game or lose you the game with silly mistakes. He’s just there to make things a little easier for your star players to win the game. A scrappy player that does the intangibles, spreads the floor, gets the key rebound, makes the key 3 pointer, etc.
I'm saying Mo would play 15-20 minute range if McDyess stays healthy and is properly conditioned enough to endure 25-30 minutes a night. Cato could would share some of those backup minutes in games where the matchups are appropriate. Taylor would accept the role, he knows he's a backup. He averaged close to 28 minutes a game this year playing backup to Cato, a player who couldn't help himself from getting in foul trouble. He would not have played more minutes a game than Cato had Cato not had "chronic foul syndrome" all season long. McDyess is much more disciplined and experienced, we wouldn't have this problem. If McDyess stays healthy, plays well and stays effective that automatically diminishes any role off of the bench anyways. What are the chances Nachbar will end up better than Croshere? GOOD!! I don't know what planet you are on and if we are talking about the same players here but I have news for you, AUSTIN CROSHERE ISN'T THAT GOOD! I'll take my chances on a 23-year old athletic SF being compared to Peja THAT WE RECENTLY SPENT NEARLY A LOTTO PICK ON, than an extremely overpaid bum like Croshere killing Nachbar's confidence and wasting his developmental time. You don't draft a guy that high in the NBA Draft to never use him! It's simple, and if you were a GM you would HAVE to recognize that detail. JJ doesn't play like he is 33 years old and he could easily be as effective this year as he was this past year. Only difference is we could take the burden off of him having to play 40 minutes a night. It's now or never for Nachbar, it has clearly been established that JVG will work him into the rotation this year. WE ARE SET AT SF THIS YEAR, contrary to what you were saying earlier. Injury? Adrian Griffin was a starter in Dallas and is very much capable of playing SF minutes, as is Piatkowski in certain matchups. OR we could just bring back Padgett and see him equally as effective as Croshere would be in the situation.
McDyess for cheap at PF? It's a HUGE risk. But out of the the FA PFs out there, he might be the most affordable. We can use the rest of the money (if we have any) or trade on a solid PG.
What other PF's are out there? Eddie Griffin? If McDyess'll give us the "hometown" discount it can't kill us to give him a shot. We might come out looking like geniuses.
Mcdyess can play center (dude is like 6'10"), hes the type of the player that Dallas needs. He can crash the boards and clean up the mess and he can defend the block as well. However, Dallas is way way way over the cap and I doubt they can sign for the amount that he wants. As far as signing Mcdyess for 3 million, I'd be very surprised since he was making near max money before.
I'd like me some McDyees if posters are willing to take a chance on G. Hills body, id take Deese over that any day... ofcourse we dont get a tmac with dice but you know, hes still a legit 4, somethin we dont have.
yeah imagine if we could somehow get tmac and grant hill with out giving up franics; ton of draft picks or something, then getting mcdyess also. Starting Linup would be: Pg steve francis Sg Tmac Sf Grant Hill Pf Antonio McDyess C Yao Ming there ya go. we could the All-Overated and Injured team of all time.
What does a max contract signed before a potential career ending injury have to do current market value? There is no team that will risk their entire MLE on Dice. That would be true in most normal summers but the CHA expansion is going to create an additional 3-5 unrestricted FA's who have no questionable health concerns. As far as backup C's go, Dice would be well downstream from Ostertag (coming off an $8.6m contract) and Elden Campbell (the Piston most likely to be unprotected).
I read an artice that said the Pacers would like to deal their SF's to spread out the talent and have a beter all-round team. Who else can they get for Croshere? MoT is a pretty damn good player, and would be excellent off the bench for them. As it is, O'Neal hasn't had a decent backup unless Harrington slides over, in which case they're going small. MoT would be nice for them coming off the bench with O'Neal sliding to the 5 or taking a breather. Mobley/Cato/MoT for Harrington/Croshere/Pollard would be a nice deal too. That would improve their roster tremendously, give them a superb bench, and give us more size and athleticism. Cato/Foster O'Neal/MoT Artest/Bender Miller/Mobley Tinsley/Brewer/Fred Jones/Johnson/they can even sign an FA Yao/Pollard McDyess/Pollard/Croshere (A bit thin here) Harrington/Croshere/Boki JJ/Pike Francis/Wilks? Our starting line-up improves, but our depth takes a slight hit. If we can correct this by signing another FA via the rest of the MLE or veteran's minimum, then we're set. Don't forget, we have the TE as well, which would bring in a couple of decent players for the bench. Chris Mihm would be nice off the bench. So would Antonio Daniels.
Again, 1) MoT wouldn't accept 20 minutes. 2) There would be 20 minutes to play. There are 18 backup PF minutes if McDyess plays 30 minutes. Do you think JVG will go with extreme defense or extreme offense? Obviously, he'll go with Cato. BUT EVEN IF HE GOES FOR MOT, that's 18 minutes. There is no way in hell MoT plays just 18 minutes and is happy about it, and we'd have to be pretty freaking stupid to pay him 9M to play 18 minutes, when we can very well get another player who can cover over needs. Boki is in his 3rd season now. He's as likely to shoot at his girlfriend in some domestic incident as he is to become betetr than Austin Croshere. But AGAIN, EVEN IF HE BECOMES AMAZING, AND WE DON'T TRADE MOT, MOT ONLY PLAYS 10 MINUTES OR SO. SO WE MIGHT AS WELL GET CROSHERE, IN CASE BOKI STINKS IT UP AGAIN. DOES IT REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE IF MOT OR AUSTIN CROSHERE PLAYS THE 8 BACKUP PF MINUTES?
Okay for one minute i'll pretend like this makes sense, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THE GREAT AUSTIN CROSHERE WILL ACCEPT THESE 8 MINUTES??????? Back to reality... Mo has played 20 minutes before as a backup in LA and could do it again. He knows he's a backup and has never had an important role to a winning team. Winning changes a lot of people's minds on what petty details they care about--don't forget that. Here, he was used as a spark off of the bench and ended up being a candidate for 6th Man of the Year. Yeah, it sucks we're paying him 9 M a year but its one of those situations where you're just gonna have to take a hit. 9M for 20 minutes of solid play and averaging double figures in points isn't the end of the world. I like how you're incinuating it would be "stupid" to pay Taylor 9M for only 20 minutes of playing time but apparently it isn't stupid to pay Croshere the same for these "8 minutes" of PF and some SF if JVG doesn't go with the clearly obvious notion of working Nachbar into the rotation? Maybe you have a tough time accepting the obvious? BOSTJAN NACHBAR IS THE FUTURE OF THIS TEAM AT THIS POSITION. I'm glad you aren't a GM because if you were ever the GM of my favorite and you took a guy with nearly a lotto pick and never played him, on top of that traded for a bum like Croshere to take away his minutes as well as killing his confidence and wasting crucial developmental time to this guy....I would personally lead to the charge to take your job. ...and i'll take my chances of Nachbar beating Croshere's IMPRESSIVE career averages of 7 points and 4 rebounds a game.
It's like I'm talking to a wall. I'm sorry, I always just ignore, but I swear speaking to you is like speaking to a wall. It's as if you're just repeating yourself since your first post and not reading what I'm writing.
I think this whole McDyess rumor is nothing but one big smoke screen. I don't really believe that JVG sees him as a solution, or as better than what we already have. I would take a look at him, sure, and he could be a good pick up for the right price but every time he goes into the paint we will all be praying that he doesn't get hurt again. I do think that CD and JVG are trying to figure out a deal for a PF, and I think that is likely to come via a trade with Orlando, although not one for T-Mac (stop dreaming y'all). Ciao for niao. Peeeace.
Ohhh i've read exactly what you wrote, quite comical. Just as long as you realize you're wrong and it makes no sense, but more importantly that it will never happen. Sorry to ruin your little Austin Croshere wet dream.
1. Austin Chroshere BLOWS 2. obtaining McDyess is realistic 3. MoT can honestly be traded for some talent if the rockets want, he has alot of peoples' respect.. he did alot of damage last year 4. Nachbar IS a baller 5. Austin Chroshere BLOWS
