the point i was making is lowy wouldn't thirve in that offense. phil and his system wouldn't magnify lowry strength but more of hinder them.
indiana is the ONLY place i could see lowry getting the starting job imo thier fast pace fits lowry the best imo
People roll their eyes at Lowry starting for the Lakers but seriously, Brown and Farmar are terrible PGs. What the Lakers need is a bench PG who pushes the pace and keeps the action going, not going iso and shooting one and dones
What are you talking about? Lowry doesn't have a scorer's mentality like Brooks so I don't know why "thriving in that offense" would matter to Lowry if you're referring to some new urge for Lowry to drop 18 points a night or something. Lowry, most of the time, takes what the defenses gives him and he'll throw his body around if it means he can get to the free throw line. In other words, Lowry doesn't need to "thrive in that offense" because, just like you had said about him earlier, Lowry is a point guard that gets assists and plays defense--two things that Fisher and Farmar can't do for the Lakers right now. When has the triangle ever had a penetrating point guard? Just because there hasn't been a prolific example doesn't mean it cannot happen. The closest thing that Jackson has ever had in terms of having a penetrating point guard was Smush Parker but that's about all Parker could do. He couldn't play defense, his passing skills was atrocious, and he couldn't get to the free throw line. I said that Lowry would be a good fit for the Lakers simply because he's a decent ball distributor (something a team with 4-5 all stars would need), plays defense (something a team with a Derek Fisher would need), and he can get to the line.
phil's point guards don't get assist because they play in an equal opportunity offense whee not 1 person dominates the ball. phil's point guards also have a history of not penetrating and getting to the line often. phil's point guards just execute the offense and hit jumpers when they are called upon. also lowry needs the ball in his hands to do work. phil's ogffense is not an offense where he puts it in one players had and lets him run the offense. lowry's bread and butter is pushing the tempo, getting to the line and getting assist. things that phil doesn't look for in point guards. here's a reason why he didnt have slashing point guards and hasnt look for any. BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE TYPE OF POINT GUARDS PHIL WANTS IN HIS SYSTEM. smush parker also shot 36% from threes and was a good jump shooter in a lakers uniform. something lowry is not. if you c
Lowry is nothing compared to rondo.... Lowry is being overrated drastically.... all this shenanigans about TS%... just realize if his shooting field goal percentage is so low and his TS% is so high that means he EXTREMELY relies on getting to the line. You need to remember that Refs are less likely to call fouls at the end of the game. TS% = PTS / (2 * (FGA + 0.44 * FTA)) therefore if Lowry gets to the charity stripe once and hits his both his shots... he would have a TS% for that play of 2/(2*2*.44) = 113.6% this would skew his TS%... who comes up with the .44 part of the equation? not to mention AB's TS% is higher than Lowry's (54.9% vs. 53.6%) although this will be skewed by all the 3's AB gets but this is a reward because it only requires one possession for these points. http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/brookaa01.html http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lowryky01.html
I was waiting for you to bring up the "it's an equal opportunity offense and everyone shares" card because the past few years, the Lakers have been moving in and out of the triangle because of Kobe. That triangle offense isn't ran every single play down court because of Kobe's penchant for trying to take over the game. There hasn't been any other time, IMO, in Phil Jackson's coaching career where the triangle has seen less usage as it has been these past few years. Maybe that's because of Kobe, maybe that's because of the personnel, maybe that's because Tex Winter hasn't been around as much but it's easy to see that the Lakers aren't strictly a triangle offense team any more. And that's why a player like Lowry has a chance to succeed. I'll agree with this. So a Kyle Lowry with a 39.7 FG% (with a 53.6 TS%) this season won't be an upgrade over a Derek Fisher with a 38% FG% (with a .499 TS%)? And that big difference in 3 point % that Fisher has over Lowry (34.8% versus 27%) doesn't look so big when you add in the fact that Fisher averages only 1 3point make per game while Lowry's is .5. Not a big disparity. Lest we forget, Lowry averages 3 free throws made per game while Fisher is barely over 1 made per game so that 3 point discrepancy is almost nullified by Lowry's higher number of free throw makes.
Yes, Lowry would suck if he couldn't get to the line. There's just one problem with your argument: He does get to the line. Consistently. Thanks for breaking that down for us, though. What's next? Are you going to argue that we shouldn't play Chuck Hayes because if he couldn't play D he would be worthless?
No one really wants to say that this is a great asset to have because it's not sexy like points, assists, or 3s. You have a player that can draw fouls and get to the line, your whole team benefits. You put the opposing team in a bind and they get into the penalty quicker, you get easy points on the board in the form of free throws. Tack on the fact that Lowry manages to go in and draw fouls on the opposing big men, it puts the other team more in a bind because their big men gets into foul trouble. Lowry has his weaknesses (i.e. shooting) but his strengths benefits not only himself but also his teammates as well.
the only time they deviate from the triangle is when it comes to kobe getting his shots when they need him too. phil will alter his system for their best player just like they did at times with jordan when they needed jordan to get a bucket when they needed it but phils not gonna alter is system or KYLE LOWRY. LOL @ using TS% to compare lowry and fisher shooting kevin martin has a higher T5% than kobe kevin martin > kobe bryant right? LOL TS% works in favor of guys that get to the line. phil doesnt value how many times his point guard can get to the line more than how well they can defend and shoot the 3.
I seriously doubt the Lakers would want Fisher over Lowry. Fisher basically stays out of the way and shoots jumpers when he's open. He has a very low usage rate. Lowry would provide another threat for them, despite his long-range shooting weakness. If you don't like TS then look at PER. Lowry is far superior by that measure. (And Kobe is superior to Martin in PER as well).
Who said he would need to alter his system for Lowry? You're thinking I'm saying Lowry is an All-Star or something when the only thing I'm pointing out is that Lowry would be an upgrade over their current starting point guard and an even bigger upgrade over their backup point guard. I am pretty sure I put that TS in parenthesis, therefore, not making it an important part of my argument. You focused on the TS I brought up but you decidedly leave out Lowry's better FG% and his higher average of free throws made per game. You also didn't bother to address how, despite having a much better 3pt %, Fisher's make per game is at 1 trey a game, which pretty much gets nullified by the difference in how many more free throws Lowry makes in a game. You want to LOL all you want but if you're going to tell me that Lowry wouldn't be an upgrade over Fisher and Farmar, you better give me something more than just "Lowry has NEVER played in the triangle, therefore, he can't be successful in the triangle".
the thing is phil has already said he valued fisher because of his defense, his ability to hit the 3, and because he understands his offense more thoroughly. it's not about who is a "better player" but who is a BETTER FIT. the lakers are already the 7th worst 3 point shooting team in the leauge. derek fisher shoots a higher 3 point percentage than the team average. WHY WOULD THEY BRING IN A POINT GUARD THAT IS A WORSE 3 POINT SHOOTER THAN THE GUY THEY HAVE STARTING WHO KNOWS THE OFFENSE BETTER? the lakers already have offensive talent around them that can get their shot off without the help of a distibuting point guards because they was the offense is designed. they dont NEED a distribution point guard if lowry was on the laker you best believe he would be coming of the bench to be a pace changer with odom and brown
