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CHRON: Live Chat with Daryl Morey @ 12PM

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by CheezeyBoy22, Feb 19, 2008.

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  1. abc2007

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    No, I remember, we trade JH for James+ a player from wolves. We cut that player but I think we still need to pay for him.

    I disgree. Don't underestimate other teams' GMs.

     
  2. Carl Herrera

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    Justin Reed, who makes $1.5 million a year. He was the price of doing business, just like Jackie Butler.

    Eating Butler's contract is worth gett Scola. The James deal didn't work out that well, but all that Rockets took on was a modest Reed salary and one extra year of MLE contract (Juwan Howard's deal had 2 years to go, only slightly more desirable that MJ's, mostly for his role as good lockeroom leader).


    Every GM, even the best ones, make mistakes. How do you think the Pistons ended up paying Nazr Mohammed the MLE for a year and a half? How do you think Spurs come to need to dump Jackie Butler in the first place?

    The good GMs just make enough good decisions to overcome their mistakes, that's all.
     
  3. macfan

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    If he doesn't focus on the statistical aspect of moves and if he doesn't allow his scouts to spoonfeed him, that's potentially worse.
    If he wasn't hired for his statistical prowess (we know he's not one of the better GMs in terms of basketball knowledge or business acumen), what was he hired for?

    There's not a whole lot more to math as it relates to basketball than what you read on 82 games
     
  4. abc2007

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    I think the rockets could use JB. Yao needs a backup right now. The spurs don't need him, but it doesn't mean the rockets don't need him, just the same as Scola.

    BTW, Mohammed would be more useful than James for the rockets.

     
  5. macfan

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    Entrepreneurs take risk. Alexander's bet is that a Stats guy can give his franchise an edge. It's quite possible that bet can backfire and set the franchise back for years. We have never had a GM without basketball background. There's nothing in Les Alexander's background that teaches him to hire a nonbasketball guy. It's just a decision that he made.

    I am sure Alexander didn't hang Morey out to dry. I am sure he sorrounded him with basketball folks. I am saying that when it's time to pull the trigger, I hope Morey relies on those people, because it's not uncommon that under pressure, decisionamkers do what they know best and what's instinctually right. For Morey it's numbers.
     
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    Jackie Butler has been a free agent since when now?

    Has ANY NBA team even indicated an interest in him?

    It's pretty clear now that no team really think they can use Jackie Butler's this season.
     
  7. Carl Herrera

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    I rest my case.
     
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    Battier might have been CD's move, I don't know for sure. I suspect Morey's analysis played a significant role there.

    And we don't know if being a former player/coach/scout make you a better GM, because every GM I know of has had that experience. It's an unknown at this point how crucial that really is. I personally think that having a good feel for what the "numbers" indicate (not just in-game stats, but also physical and mental attributes) is much more important than being former NBA superstar.

    Of course. I'm a total amateur. My knowledge is pretty basic, and all I use is stuff I can find on the internet and simple tools like Microsoft Excel. I think the use of statistical methods to improve decision making in sports is a fascinating field, and I love NBA basketball, so that's why I follow it. Morey specializes in business analytics, an increasingly important field, and he is regarded as being very, very good at it. You don't get as far as he has this quickly without having some real talent.
     
  9. Carl Herrera

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    If it's clear to you, casual Rockets fan with business background, that a $10 computer can do what Morey does, why would Alexander take that risk?

    Just because he is an entrepreneur doesn't mean he has to take unreasonable stupid risks.
     
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    Once again, it doesn't mean the rockets can not use him!

    Moon is undrafted, but he is a starter for the raptors now.

     
  11. Carl Herrera

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    Moon performed ever since they got him in camp.

    Butler did not. Not in summer league, not in camp, not any time before the Rockets cut him?

    What in all of his history with the Rockets (and Spurs) makes you think he is an useful NBA player?

    He has been an unmotivated ****** ever since the Spurs paid him.
     
  12. macfan

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    You have no case. Saying: I rest my case is not an argument, it's lack of one.

    We can talk about Math, I don't think you want to do that. Like I said, Mathematics is complex, but not when it comes to applying it to basketball analysis. What you need in basketball is combinations and trends. Regression analysis is done by computer.
     
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    Other teams have been calling to offer contracts but everytime he tries to accept there's a big mac in his mouth.
     
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    I watched games in summer league. Actually, I think he is not bad. He might be unmotivated, but he does have potential.

    BTW, I think Rockets still need two moves to be a true contender. One is starting pg, and another one is backup center.

     
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    I love math just like you do. "Fascinating" is code for "we don't know whether extensive statistical analysis translates into wins" Having a good feel for numbers is sort of an oxymoron. Numbers are inanimate. There's nothing Morey can offer that a well constructed statistical program can't.

    Morey could be a genius at what he does. What I am saying is, he's not a basketball person and nothing he does will change that.
     
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    I just told you. He did it, because he believes it will give him a competitive advantage. I am saying there's a good chance he's wrong.
     
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    he is talking about francis and mike james which we all thought was going to better than what we got plus the draft is always a gamble we just got lucky this draft
     
  18. Carl Herrera

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    How come he had a job first with the Celtics and now as the Rockets GM and you don't if that's all he had to offer.

    Presumably, you can offer the same. Why haven't you convinced Les Alexander, the entrepreneur, to take a risk on you?

    Is it because the Rockets GM salary is a paycut from your current pay level?
     
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    I thought this was an interesting answer. Basically he is saying our window is a bit more open than perhaps some of the other WC teams, thereby we might not need to panic and make trades, but at the same time he says that "you need to take risks" to push the team over the top to get to the championship. I am sure most look at Morey and MoreyBall as perhaps risk adverse, but we'll see. ;)
     
  20. Carl Herrera

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    What makes him believe it?

    Also, there's only a "good chance" he is wrong. Not certainty?

    I mean, you sound like you were sure he was wrong to hire someone who is worth only a $10 stats program.
     

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