[Chron] Harris looks for second chance with Rockets

The more I think about it, I would keep Harris over the following players.

Woods
Head
Francis
Hayes
Deke

He has more to offer than all of them, with the possible exception of Deke....

Hayes is an elite defender, but Harris' offense offsets that...

DD

 

Head and Stevie have expiring contracts which exponentially increase their value to the Rox.

Harris has not yet demonstrated a greater value than Hayes.

Deke? Make him a coach, and activate him if/when the need demands IMHO.

 

i think its a bit more complex than that. First you have to look at how long Harris will actually play based on need. He's behind Tmac, Battier, and Barry who will all play significant minutes at SF. We need another SG more than we need another foward. Then you factor in the monetary value. Head's contract could be attractive for a team (expiring i think?) and he has built up a resume for good 3pt shooting (in the regular season).

I think when you're talking about fringe players i think the numbers almost always trumps their play. I think Francis is safe because his contract can help us in trade deadline deal. I think trading Hayes would be crazy, i feel we're practically stealing from him. I actually would rather drop Novak. His contract is small and i personally don't see him becoming much but i could be wrong. Obviously a roster trimming trade would be optimal though.

 

I think both Luther, Novak (expendable with Greene pick) and Steve's contract all have value. Don't think it will be that hard for Morey to make small trades to reduce or shuffle the roster.

 

When I read this my subconscious tried to make me click "report" instead of "reply" to this post.

DD, you serious? Harris' subpar offense trumps Hayes' defense? I can't even begin to figure out how you think that.

 

Here is my thinking.


Hayes - Elite defender - Horrid Offense

Harris - Decent defender - decent offense

I would take Harris over Hayes......ONLY because Hayes is the 3rd power forward on the roster, and will rarely play, and is limited to basically C and PF...whereas Harris has much more versatility, and can score the ball too.

DD

 

that's Bold...i think people like to simplify defense and diversify offense. When you look at Hayes is good post defense, team defense, and switching to perimeter players. Also i believe he's an elite rebounder as well. If he played starter minutes he would be around the league leaders.

I think people really overrate Harris' offense though. He just does the things that most of our team sucks at. He drives agressively and crashes the boards for the putback. He's very limited from the perimeter, has poor handles, and isn't all that great posting up. His defense isn't great either. He's almost Head-like because he's too small for the 4's and he has a hard time staying in front of 3's.

 

do you write crap like this because it works for Fran Blinebury? You know, create controversy out of lazy writing to increase readership.

 

Hayes is an elite defender, but his offense is so bad and he has sunk to a 3rd team player.

I would rather have a guy who can score the ball, and play a little defense over a guy who is a great defender who can not score the ball.

Hayes was great for the team 2 years ago, and now, to me, he has no place on it...

Again, if you award 50 points for offense and 50 points for defense when rating a player, here is how I would see it.


Hayes - Defense....45......Offense 10 for a total of 55 point rating.

Harris - Defense 30......offense 30....for a total of a 60 point rating.

I think Harris is more versatile and gives Adelman more options on the floor on any given game day.

I value versatility over being great at one end and lousy at the other.

HP, I write what I think, sometimes I am not so clear in how I come to those conclusions.....of course I don't accuse others of writing crap either....just because I disagree....I understand there are different opinions....

DD

 

Harris played in 8 games where his minutes were in double digits. In those 8 games he avg 7pts and 5.1rbs. Certainly worth another look in pre-season.

 

DD, Harris's descent defense wasn't so descent in the playoffs against Matt Harpring. Harris was raped down low by Harpring.

 

OMG, Mike Harris sucks, please let him go back to play in China. He's too small to play 3, and too slow to play 2 defensively, and he doesn't have a jump shot at all.

 

LOL - raped, really?

I mean sure scoring 5.5 ppg and shooting .458 from the field is a serious raping...uh not really (down in both categories from his regular season stats).... it is so funny how people's perceptions get lost in a cold hard look at reality.

If Matt scored a couple of times against Harris, that doesn't mean he stunk....

Mike Harris played a grand total of 3 games for an average of 3 minutes per game...

SHEESH.

DD

 

If Woods plays 5-8 minutes, he will give u 2 RB 2 PT. But that's a grand theft if you think of Woods only get paid 1 mil while Diop get paid 6 mil.

 

Harris is anything but decent on offense. He played a lot in garbage time and got putbacks. A couple of times he was put in against first-teamers (after the win streak ended) and he was a deer in the headlights and couldn't do anything right.

Harris is a scrub who hustles and plays hard. Unless he completely re-invents himself and develops skills, he won't be on the team and shouldn't be.

 

See, while many see what you see, I see something different.

I see a guy who was getting his feet wet, and lost that deer in the headlights look after a few games.

He was trying too hard early, but now he knows he belongs.

You can not have enough versatile players on your team who hustle....Mike Harris reminds me of Mario Elie......and people who EARN their way into the NBA continually push those ahead of them.

I like Chuck Hayes, do not get me wrong, but I value versatility over one dimensional players......

Chuck is certainly as one dimensional as Novak, just on the other end of the court.

I would prefer a player can contribute on all 94 feet.

DD

 

I think there is a huge difference between what you think about Harris and what everyone else does. I'll inflate your scale to 100 to show more of what i mean.

Hayes - Defense...85...offense...20

Harris - Defense...40...offense...40

That's 105 to 80. Considering 50 as average, i feel Harris is below average on both sides of the ball while Hayes has superstar like defense and rebounding ability. Also, i considered Hayes the backup C for most of the season. He, Landry, and Scola where all rotating between PF and C. If you go by the position they played the most Harris would then be the 4th string PF.

Either way i think he would have a harder time getting on the court playing behind the likes of Tmac, Battier, and Barry than Hayes will playing behind Yao, Scola, and Landry because bigs get more tired.

 

DD, they quickly pulled Harris from the lineup for that reason during the series. I do like Harris though, he can rebound (scrappy), attack the bucket and he's got an excellent mid-range jumper. Also it seems as if Adelman likes him as well. I think once the roster is reduced or shuffled, the rockets have full intentions on keeping him. If he could ever learn how to shoot the 3 ball he would put himself in postion to make some serious dollars.