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[Chron]Gundy: Players should enjoy win + Spanoulis wasn't good

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Van Gundier, Nov 23, 2006.

  1. Zboy

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    I wonder what all the JVG defenders who were claiming "We are going to trust JVG on this one. VSpan is not ready yet" have to say now?

    The only reason Vspan is getting time is because of Snyder injury. Not because Gundy thought he was ready.

    Yeah...it takes a friggin injury for JVG to make a good move.

    JVG is not very smart. Good game preparation but no greater vision.

    Glad he is not my Dad. It would take my brother falling off a cliff and commiting suicide on campus for him to pay for MY college.
     
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  2. Van Gundier

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    DD,
    My point is that JVG didn't have a lot of opportunity to get to know Spanoulis since his TO-fest at the end of the preseason (1 TO/4 minutes). He had faith in the player long term, just not at the beginning of the season.

    As ford him having no choice but to go to Spanoulis.. not neccesarily true. He could have given Head more minutes. He could have played more Juwan/Padget up front with Battier/Mac on the wings. He could have put Novak out there at the 4 with Battier/Mac on the wings. He could have rushed back Bonzi Wells, apparently not quite in "marathon" shape but thinks he can play. He could have gone out and get a Rick Brunson again (God help us if that happens!).

    JVG also CHOSE to cut ties with Derek Anderson and free up time for Luther Head. Luther played due to injuries, but he also played because Van Gundy made a choice to give him some burn.

    The same applies to Chuck Hayes. While people were clamoring for Stro to shine when Yao went down, Stro's minutes stayed about the same, and 15-20 extra minutes went to Chuck as soon as he signed in January, and again when Yao went down in in April.

    Injuries played a part, and you can argue JVG didn't get these guys minutes soon enough, but he did have a choice to make and these guys seems to be developing just fine.
     
  3. Van Gundier

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    It's called practice. Something that helps players get better if they pay attention.
     
  4. Zboy

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    How much practice did VSpan get in a couple of minutes in between Snyder's injury and when it clicked to JVG that he can actually play him??

    They must have Super-Duper-Totally-Awesome-Mega-Wowzer Training bike in the MSG Training room!

    In goes Billy the Turnover machine.

    *few minutes break*

    Out comes Vspan the Man with his wizard robe and a hat and all!!

    Too bad Moochie Norris never used it during his short stay in NY!!
     
  5. zcity

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    I had one custom made at the Rockets Shop 3 weeks ago anticipating his quick rise to popularity and stardom !!!! Plus I just love the guy !!!

    I made it for my Son - He wore it to the game last night !!!!

    Great Win !!!
     
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    Would he fall off a cliff and then commit suicide after he hit the ground? This cliff, is it located on campus? Is this cliff a natural or man-made structure?
    Is your brother even going to college?

    For those who say that the Rockets would have a better record if Vspan was playing in our late game collaspes is pure speculation, and simply a dead-end arguement lacking real supporting evidence.

    This is Vspan's second game, and you can't judge his ability by simply looking at a two game window. And so therefore you can't judge JVG for not playing him earlier. The course of the next two weeks will give us a better sample size as to his readiness and ability, until then please reserve any negative opinions on JVG's 'bad decision' not to play Vspan earlier.
     
  8. NewYorker

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    give it up - there's no point in debating with this one....
     
  9. smoothie

    smoothie Jabari Jungle

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    billy was never beat on defense. never missed a defensive rotation. didn't have ONE turn over. shot a very nice %. most of all, he provided us with a driver and another energy guy.

    i give JVG major props for admitting how well he played.
     
  10. JeopardE

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    That pretty much sums it up. Building chemistry in your regular rotation is far more important to a championship-contending team than giving rookies developmental minutes. This league is a league of opportunity, and thankfully we have a core of players who know how to identify their weaknesses, improve in practice, and make the most of their opportunities when the time comes. Luther Head is a great example, Rafer is another, and so is Chuck Hayes (we would have left this gem languishing in the NBDL if not for the massive injury bug last year, and ultimately we would have lost him to another team). I still remember the good ol' days of Chuckie and Lonnie teaming up together to dominate the paint against the Bucks in Milwaukee last year ... ahh, fun times. Anyway - back to the subject, I have pointed out previously that JVG was raving about Spanoulis' potential long before the season started, back in training camp. He continued to show a lot of that potential in the preseason, but he just couldn't get his handle under control. And eventually, now that the door has finally been opened for him to enter the rotation, he is performing really well, making the most of his opportunity and showing that he has spent time improving his play while on the sidelines.

    Btw ... you know, on the bright side, we don't see any "Van Grumpy" threads around the BBS anymore. Looks like the JVG hate has been reduced about 8%. Heh.
     
  11. JeopardE

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    Actually, I saw him get burned badly on a pick once, leaving Arenas with an open 3 pointer ... luckily, he missed. But that's just nitpicking ... we can't have that around the BBS now, can we? Oh wait. Yeah, that's our modus operandi. ;)
     
  12. Van Gundier

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    Practice, film sessions, etc happens over the course of the season, not just on the moment when a player plays.

    Confidence is demonstrated when Spanoulis became the next one on the depth chart after the 4 active guards, not just when one of them got injured and he got PT.

    The lack of understanding of NBA nuance is stunning.
     
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    I love how so many people here think they know everything that is going on in JVG's head. However, here's to a win and one I was actually able to watch this time.
     
  14. DaDakota

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    I am not talking about standing up for his players, I applaud him for doing that, and it is one of his best traits.

    Standing up to the refs for their lack of fair play on Yao has had great ramifications for Yao since JVG spoke up.

    We are talking about his lack of trust in unproven players...and his unwillingness to give them a bit of time to prove themselves.

    DD
     
  15. Zboy

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    According to some here, this happened all of a sudden due to some magical practice after Snyder got hurt.

    Funny thing is, JVG will admit to his mistake of not playing VSpan sooner than the JVG-lovers will!!!
     
  16. DaDakota

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    Yes, I concur here. And, I think V-Span is going to have a little bit more rope now.

    DD
     
  17. entirelydave

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    JVG is the best! those threads you speak of are terrible. i love his passion and you can really tell he will do anything to get his team to win. his emotions during the game speak volumes. most other coaches don't compare. his players know this and that's why they speak of him the way they do. also, i was at the game last night and those rowdies were great. JVG made that possible right??? yeah, he did. doesn't suck.
     
  18. rocks_fan

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    Wow, just wow. JVG does something you agree with and it's still nothing but whining and moaning. I used to think that "JVG hate" was some made up affliction. People like you have shown me the light and shown that this is a very real and insidious condition.
     
  19. Luffy1

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    Yup, JVG didn't have some moment of inspiration to play vspan. It took an injury to FORCE him to play vspan and looked what happened?! Imagine the possibilities, if he gave Novak a chance now.
     
  20. TeamUSA

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    nobody scored against Billy last night. That's defense.
     

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