[Chron]Gundy: Players should enjoy win + Spanoulis wasn't good

JVG does not suck but he is slower than mollases at recognizing trends and making adjustments.

Witness 3+ years to install a zone.

Witness not playing V-Span while his guards get lit up by penetration.

Witness signing old has been players over taking a chance on younger ones with more upside.

Witness his inability to counter when the other team switches tactics....

But.....JVG seems to be at least TRYING now....better late than never I guess.

DD

 

I would trade JVG for Sloan every day of the week.

DD

 

I did not pick Udrih at random. He was a free agent early in calendar 2004. We could have signed him then, but JVG preferred the ancient and "proven" Mark Jackson. As it turned out, MJ was a waste of time, whereas Udrih would probably be contributing hugely to us now. Do you finally understand how JVG's "win now with old men" strategy can cost us dearly?

As for Euros in general, the good ones are rarely free agents. There are advantages to declaring for the NBA draft (first rounders get guaranteed contracts, for example), so some of them do that. If they are good enough, NBA teams draft them as a matter of course.

And we have nothing, absolutely zippo, for Boki now. What a waste. I blame JVG's short sightedness and his love for temporary veteran help.

We need somebody long and active at the 4 for those defensive situations where Chucky is overwhelmed. Believe it or not, D is what Boki is best at now. He is New Jersey's David Lee. Are you saying we can't use somebody like that?

 

Don't bother.

terse just has no idea what he was talking about with regard to Udrih.

You only have to declare for the draft if you are between 18 and 22 for foreigners (now 19). Once your are 22/graduated from college you become automatically eligible. For classic examples of this, see Portland drafting Sabonis in the late eighties only to not see him come over till the mid 90s. I think there was some controversy over Sabonis because his age was in question. See Dallas drafting Wang Zhi-Zhi to the surprise of everyone.

The ones that come over like Sarunas Jasikevicius et. al as free agents are because they either: a.) weren't known/scouted when they were 22 (which would be rare these days) b.) were thought to have zero chance of coming over, or c.) in some cases (Jasikevicius) just weren't very good at 22. Jasikevicius was a decent player at Maryland and went undrafted. He went to Europe, got better, and then became an NBA caliber player and got a contract.

Basketball is not baseball of the past where teams could sign and develop players through academies. EVERY player is up for grabs through the draft process initially. If they declare and go undrafted, then and only then do they become free agents.

Edit: To quote the CBA (Article X):

Section 1. Player Eligibility.
(a) No player may sign a Contract or play in the NBA unless he has been eligible for selection in at least one (1) NBA Draft

 

Shrug. Players never have exactly the same skills. David Lee is a better rebounder, Boki a better long range shooter. My point is that JVG has cost us somebody we can really use now. Coachie's "win now with old men" strategy left his previous team with zero championships and zero young players. I don't want the same thing to happen here.

 

Oh, you mean the team that traded Charles Oakley for Marcus Camby? Cool.

 

So you are right, but just barely. I thought Udrih was already 23 years old in 2004. (I had been hearing about him for what seemed like forever. I think he first made a big name for himself at the age of 17.)

My basic point stands though. JVG's love for old men has cost us players such as Boki, whom we can really use now.

 

Um New Jersey's David Lee?? Have you watched David Lee play? Are you aware of that it is his constant hustle, rebounding, tenacity, defense and ability to finish around the basket that makes him a good player? Does that sound like Busti Nachbar? Busti Nachbar avgs a mere 2.6 rebound per game... David Lee avgs 9.2. Busti avgs 6pts on 39% shooting... Lee avgs 10pt on 62% shooting. Calling Busti NJ's David Lee is like calling Juwon Howard, Houston's Dwight Howard.

As for whether or not we could use someone like Busti Nachbust... sure! If we needed to get Yao a playtime friend or counterstirke buddy. You do realize Busti is avg a mere 6 pts on 39% shooting 2. 6 rebounds in 19 mins per dont you? What possible use would he be for the ROckets?? Oh you mentioned we could insert him in for Chuck Hayes when he is overwhelmed. The suggestion that Nachbar can defend any powerforward let alone those that are too tough for chuck hayes is beyond ridiculous. The suggestion that Nachbar could even PLAY powerfoward is STUPID! That is unless there is a sudden clamor for power forwards who avgs 2.6 rebounds a game and shoots 39% from the field.

We got David Wesley for two productive season. Two seasons where he was MUCH MUCH more porductive than Nachbar whom last year avged 2.8 points, 37% shooting, a whopping 1 rebound per in 9mins a game. With these overwhelming stats I guess your right, I'm convinced now, trading nachbar was the worst thing JVG could have ever done! Frankly its unbelievable we have nothing to show for this great player Nachbar who's value is so high I hear around the league that it takes more than a two day, half eaten donut to bargain with.

 

The record, which you can't spin away no matter how hard you try, proves that Gundy's old man "fix" has given us nothing in the end, absolutely nothing. We would have been better off keeping a youngster like Boki around.

This is a perfect example of how Gundy managed to leave the Knicks with a totally empty cupboard when he finally quit.

 

There's no barely about it. The Spurs spent a first rounder on him. It's not like even like they got him out of nowhere.

Hopefully, we'll be drafting in the late first round like the Spurs. In the JVG era, I think we've been rock solid in the draft - Badiane in the mid 2nd round in 2003 was a miss, but we hit in the deep 2nd round with Spanoulis in 2004, and Luther Head in the late first round in 2005. Now Novak in the 2nd round.

Of our 4 picks in the JVG era, 2 have been international. If you go back to 2002 (Nachbar/Yao), that's 4 of our last 6.

There's absolutely no argument that we're not scouting all over.

 

What is so great about keeping Busti Nachbust? The dude avgs 6.7pt 39% shooting 33% 3pt shooting and 2.6 rebounds in 19 mins per game! If he were on the Rockets, he should and would be the LAST player of the bench, behind Novak, Padgett and even JLIII ! Heck he would even be behind the AMPLE Behind of Bonzi Wells!

 

You haven't seen Boki play this year, I take it. Get back to me when you have. Then you might understand why all of New Jersey's best 5-man units have him in there.

 

Did I argue otherwise?