[CHRON / Fox News] Rockets have preliminary talks with Adelman

Agreed. At one point halfway through the 4th quarter the Jazz had attempted 13 shots, 8 of which were threes, which is what the zone was intended to do. GS was still very much in the game, but failed to score on multiple possessions.

The zone could be poitned to as a reason why they gave up so many offensive boards, but considering the Rocks gave up those same offensive baords when it mattered playing man to man, you have to question the lack of every switching to zone in our series, at least for first possesions out of time-outs, stuff like that.

 

thats all nice, but utah is still winning and doent they play a solid man D.

regardless, rockets are already a one of the best defensive teams. I think its better to focus on the more obvious and glaring needs..better players.

imo, By watching the playoffs it should be clear that strategy isnt the MAIN reason why to rockets lost It shouldnt even be a top 3 reasons to why they lost. Up and down the roster, this team is at a serious disadvantage in multiple positions.

 

guys like matt barnes are great satellite players to great point guards. he thrives with baron. he'd thrive with nash. ok, anyone would thrive with nash.

on the rox, no. we simply don't have a pg that CONTROLS TEMPO and can create shots for cutters and jump shooters. barnes is a very good open court player. when was the last time we had an open court??

 

Of course we need a talent upgrade. That doesn't preclude the fact taht another coach MAY have done more with the same team.

Without question, many other coaches would have done more offensively. May not have been better for the team overall, though, but JVG himself would likely agree that he's no offensive genius.

Rick Adelman is a much better offensive coach than JVG, regardless of "system". That is a fact. Doesn't mean the Rockets would score more under his leadership, or win more, but the first is certainly likely, and the latter...well, regular season aside, can we win any less?

 

talent is the main reason.

everything after that falls on JVG, in one way or another. T-Mac should have been taking the ball to the rack everytime in the 4th quarter. It is his fault he didn't, and JVG's fault for not makign him.

Then, other little strategy things like mixing in a little zone, working on inbound plays that actually have some semblance of success, etc. are all JVG issues as well.

We should get better talent AND a new coach.

 

you and i have been around here for awhile. i know you know that we can win less...especially with our only 2 stars being fragile.

as for adelman being better offensively? sure. but isn't that sticking fingers in the dam? better offense, worse defense, same result probably because the dam is the problem.

maybe he would have done more. maybe he is a one game improvement. with that ragtag squad we trotted out there, though, we weren't getting to our ultimate goal - the CHAMPIONSHIP. cmon, JayZ, i know you haven't forgotten.

 

We had Boozer? Wtf! Why was he wearing a Jazz Uni then?

 

The Warriors zone was predicated on having athletes. The only guy in the Rockets rotation that is athletic as ANYONE in the Warriors rotation is TMac.

And the Jazz shot 49.8% on the series. I would say they crushed the zone.

 

i have to disagree with you about jvg's fault for not "making" tmac go to the hole. You cant make someone! period. like the old saying goes... you can lead a horse to water but you cant make him drink.

As for the inbounding passes and s mix of zones or traps. I actually thought that the rockets did fairly well with their inbound plays. I dont know the stats or whatever but it never stuck out that much as being good or bad.

everynow and they would do a halfcourt trap that i liked but again, when you do that you leave yao exposed.

overall i think talent dictates what you can and cant do.

we have to go ahead assuming that maybe yao wont ever fully turn that corner and become "great". Maybe tmac cant be a leader and close out when its all on the line. And given that, the rockets need much more than a better inbound play here, or a zone there to truly become a team that will actually compete for a championship.

 

Boozer is not even in the top 7 in PF catagory in the NBA. We had the best center and a guy who finished 6th in MVP voting........before our series Boozer was known as a jump shooting PF who could rebound......we made him look like a stud......I guarantee you he goes back to earth against SA.........

 

Snyder is an athlete....and Bonzi, while he was a fatso, would've matched up quite well against harpring.....

 

boozer is a pretty dang good player but he has had especially favorable matches in the playoffs. He will come down to earth if he is played by another legit pf .

yeah, snyder is an athlete...but so is david carr. It would be nice if snyder did became a real player for the rockets. his natural abilities would help.

and yeah, the bonzi of last year vs SA would have helped but not the one the rockets got.

 

no doubt. that's why i said regular season aside. I'm not one who woudl give up the playoffs every year to make it once in 13 seasons like the Warriors to get to the 2nd round. I'd still rather be first round and out fodder every year - at least that means the regular season is somewhat exciting.

BUT, if you lose in teh first round every year, well, it's not all that exciting. Assuming you make the playoffs, you CAN'T do worse than that.

We're not getting to the Championship with our current squad with any coach. But I've seen enough basketball in my life to know that there is a LOT to be said about experience. You don't just go from first round fodder every year to winning the title....at least, not usually. You make progress. First round out one year, maybe you make the conference finals the next, or maybe you lose in the second round, etc.

Adelman may have been a worse overall coach. Or he may have at least gotten us past Utah (and past GS) this year. After all, we were somewhat close, right?

No doubt. Which is why most I've seen on this board who called for more zone, including myself, onyl wanted it used very sporadically.

The Warriors are horrible on defense. But the zone clearly disrupted the Jazz offense rhythm last night for a bit.

Besides which, the Jazz shot over 51% against us in Game 7. It's not like our man to man defense was particularly suffocatign that game, either. In other games in the series it was working, though, and JVG was right for not mixing it up.

Regardless, it is only one example of small little coaching changes I think could have been made. I certainly agree that a more talented line-up should be priorities 1,2,3 and 4.

you're right, for the most part. maybe he said it in the timeouts in the 2nd part of the 4th quarter. maybe not. whatever the case, he definitely should have said "Drive to the rack every f'ing time, god dammit", and should have taken a timeout immediately if it didn't happen. he had to have been more forceful.

inbound passes wer okay, not great. they have a tendency to make the passes way too hard, though. If I remember correctly, they had a 5 second call in game 7 because they tried to run some stupid play, as opposed to just getting the ball in bounds. and they also gave up a wide open layup to harpring defending an inbound play. i guess these things happen to everyone, but in a deciding Game 7, they seem inexcusable.

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My thought process is as follows:

JVG did a pretty decent job. But after 4 years, the results haven't been good enough. Lack of talent, bad coaching strategy...sometimes it doesn't matter. If coaches can be fired/let go for not doing enough on teams with considerably lesser talent (as happens every year....Charlotte, Atlanta, GS, Clippers, Sixers, etc.), than surely it isn't to "unfair" to let go of JVG for not getting past the first round on a Yao/T-Mac team, regardless of talent around them or leadership inabilities of them.

That decision made, who would be a logical next coach? I don't think anyone is perfect but I think Adelman is the best option. In 14 years with in some cases mediocre, in some cases, superior talent, Adelman never missed the playoffs with Portland/Sacramento. That leads me to believe he could do at least what JVG has done. Beyond that, I just like his fit.

I don't really see how Rick Carlisle or Larry Brown give you anything different from JVG. I have no idea how Mario Elie all of a sudden became a great coaching candidate - he's been doing post-game shows for the past year. Ivaronni doesn't seem to be a fit at all for this team. Sam Mitchell...nothing special? Stu Van Gundy - that's got to be a joke, right? Mike Fratello...pass. College coach of the moment - that'd actually be interesting, but still a pass.

My top 10 choices would all be Phil Jackson. He wants that 10th ring...is he willing to leave LA to do it?

After that, I think it's Rick Adelman by a long-shot.

 

Yeah you might be right because the ALL Defense PF (Duncan) will be guarding him. For a jump shooter he sure does have alot of dunks.

 

For those minutes Hayes guarding Boozer, he actually was not that outstanding either...

 

A guy who for some reason was addicted to launching 3's, refuses to take it to hole, and every time he did penetrate...he ends up shoot (and miss) a few more jumpers as if he felt he was entitled to those jumpers after driving to the paint once.

After game 7 I pretty much just gave up on basketball till recently...it was just too frustrating sigh. I don't know what this board was like right after the game but, the feeling of disappointment still lingers to this day -_-

 

The Jazz didn't crush the zone, the Warriors are just a bad defensive team, gave up too many offensive rebounds, hence too many 2nd chance layups for the Jazz. Considering the Warriors didn't play much zone until late in the season, you can see the players didn't know where to move in the zone during the Jazz series, I'd say they have done a good defensive job.

Generally speaking, NBA teams don't know how to play a GOOD zone defense due to the personnel change, and a good zone requires so much communication among players, which can only comes with stability & playing together.

Regardless the good or bad of JVG, he is definitely done with the Rockets. With what we have seen he did with the Rockets in the past four years, there is no way the team is willing to commit another 3+ years to this guy, which will be the least he wants from the team. So there won't be any common ground between the two sides.

About the Adelman, he did fine with the Blazers and the Kings, but terrible with the Warriors. So I'm not sure how good he can make the Rockets.

 

He got dunks against us cause Yao went to block his jump shot, leaving the lane wide open (Yao not quick enough to recover).......and are u telling me u cant name me at <b>least </b> 7 PFs that are better than him?? I can in a heartbeat.......so the question remains, how good is Boozer?? He's good, but not comparable to Yao or TMAC......

 

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i would rather jeff

and i like jeff, so if we can keep him that would be good