1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

CHRON: DWade understands what Tracy is going through!

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by t_mac1, Jan 17, 2009.

Tags:
Page 3 of 5
  1. Tom Bombadillo

    Tom Bombadillo Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2006
    Messages:
    29,091
    Likes Received:
    23,991
    I agree with this.....

    But, He has earned a fair amount of criticism.... How much? I am not sure....

    Again, What have you done for me lately?
    I think people back Yao because you can never question
    his courage and effort, while Tracy's court demeanor makes
    you want to vomit....
     
    #41 Tom Bombadillo, Jan 17, 2009
  2. Tom Bombadillo

    Tom Bombadillo Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2006
    Messages:
    29,091
    Likes Received:
    23,991
    Not blame. An observation, Do you agree with it? I was
    more or less asking a question...

    I do believe our "leader" and his court demeanor
    can most certainly distract our other players...
     
    #42 Tom Bombadillo, Jan 17, 2009
  3. verse

    verse Member

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 1999
    Messages:
    5,850
    Likes Received:
    601
    knote32,

    imo, people back yao because he's affable, overcome cultural hurdles to be here, and is relatable. his slowness is an acceptable fault because he appears to works hard. mac otoh, is the supremely blessed athlete that appears to have no physical limitations, makes more $ than we can imagine, yet has a sleepy, oft lazy demeanor. in short, he's easy to hate out of no other reason than jealousy. who wouldn't want to be that talented? and when he doesn't succeed, people heap the blame on him because he is an all world talent.

    that said, yao skates so much. he is afforded the luxury of mailing in games vs smaller opponents. that's a lack of effort. when yao has 6 dunk games and follows it with a 6 blown layup game, its lack of effort.

    shane, too. he's so affable and pc. no one pays attention to the fact that his game hasn't improved one iota since being drafted. yet if you ran a poll, asking who had the better work ethic (mac or shane), shane would win in a landslide.

    if we're going to discuss effort, let's see all sides of the prism. mac has dogged games. yao has, too. shane, carl, rafer et al, as well. fans just focus on mac more...
     
    #43 verse, Jan 17, 2009
  4. the_hustler

    the_hustler Member

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2008
    Messages:
    1,950
    Likes Received:
    52
    I would agree to that.. to an extent. esp in the Toronto game

    but... if the players stil think T-Mac is the leader of the team.. i dunno... they must be mad.. and i agree it would distract them too... they sud still get ahead with the game.. the coach should have benched T-
    Mac immediately..

    and

    i think the laziness is because of deferring to T-MAc on almost all possessions.. they throw the ball to him and expect him to create almost everytime... i won't blame tracy for that... never.
     
    #44 the_hustler, Jan 17, 2009
  5. Tom Bombadillo

    Tom Bombadillo Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2006
    Messages:
    29,091
    Likes Received:
    23,991
    I do not agree with one word of that.........
    Comparing Tracy's effort to Shane Battier is complete and utter blasphemy...
    WOW!
     
    #45 Tom Bombadillo, Jan 17, 2009
  6. the_hustler

    the_hustler Member

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2008
    Messages:
    1,950
    Likes Received:
    52
    verse.. i think shane is def better than MAC in terms of effort.. atleast he shows it on court.. even whn he is injured..
     
    #46 the_hustler, Jan 17, 2009
  7. verse

    verse Member

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 1999
    Messages:
    5,850
    Likes Received:
    601
    I'm talking about working on their game. I should have been more specific. my fault. in game effort, yes. shane. working on their game overall? different story.

    and you disagree with the 1st half of that post, as well? interesting. why?
     
    #47 verse, Jan 17, 2009
  8. Tom Bombadillo

    Tom Bombadillo Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2006
    Messages:
    29,091
    Likes Received:
    23,991
    I think that sums it up well...

    Rick and DM have essentially benched Tracy for 2 weeks(They did it the
    nice, diplomatic way). But hell, Atleast we don't have to worry about him for a couple weeks hey? And if he comes back ready to play hard, BONUS!


    We desperately need Ronald back though
     
    #48 Tom Bombadillo, Jan 17, 2009
  9. the_hustler

    the_hustler Member

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2008
    Messages:
    1,950
    Likes Received:
    52
    that was a good move by Idleman.. but i am wondering whether he wil get back to strength in 2 weeks.. thats gonna be difficult.. lets hope for the best.

    its on Yao this season.. let see if he can carry a team..
     
    #49 the_hustler, Jan 17, 2009
  10. Tom Bombadillo

    Tom Bombadillo Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2006
    Messages:
    29,091
    Likes Received:
    23,991
    Why? Hmmm, well, to put it shortly....


    What does Ronald say about Yao?
    "He is a beast" "Hardest worker I have ever seen" "Warrior"

    What does Ronald say about Tracy?
    "He has a ton of talent"

    Did Jeff Van Gundy not say Yao was the hardest worker he had ever coached?

    And about Shane......
    I LOVE how he has improved.........He has perfected his three
    ball since becoming a Rocket, and has a vastly underrated post
    game that he adds to every year...
    To think he hasn't worked hard to improve is ridiculous.....
    He was FREAKIN RUNNER UP DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR last year...
    AND HE WAS ROBBED

    I'd call that serious improvement.......
    Can you possibly fathom how much he practices and watches film
    to be the kind of defender he is. How he gets those unathletic feet
    moving and containing the likes of Lebron and Kobe is beyond me.....

    Do you know what it is?



    Hard "offseason" work paying off...
     
    #50 Tom Bombadillo, Jan 17, 2009
  11. verse

    verse Member

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 1999
    Messages:
    5,850
    Likes Received:
    601
    I didn't say yao doesn't work hard on his game. re-read my post.

    as for shane, good point. he has improved his defense since being in the league.
     
    #51 verse, Jan 17, 2009
  12. the_hustler

    the_hustler Member

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2008
    Messages:
    1,950
    Likes Received:
    52
    good post. I don't think anybody can dispute Battier's credentials and what he brings to the team.. just look at the way we play D when he is not there...
     
    #52 the_hustler, Jan 17, 2009
  13. Carladyfan

    Carladyfan Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2008
    Messages:
    57
    Likes Received:
    0
    Tmac quits on his team whenever his overinflated ego isnt fulfilled, Tmac thinks his talents can make up for his lack of efforts, he's mentally weak, propabably the weakest of any pro athlete i have seen, if you are still debating this issue, you should give it a rest, he's nothing if his fragile body cant take it to the rack, ron artest who isnt blessed with the athletism that tracy has have been far more effective this season, it's all about toughness, and don't give me the affable ****, tmac looks so old and weak out there sometimes, you wonder if he should retire altogether and wonder if a large part of his chromosome is not made out of the female variant.
     
    #53 Carladyfan, Jan 17, 2009
  14. verse

    verse Member

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 1999
    Messages:
    5,850
    Likes Received:
    601
    Carladyfan,

    affable is not an insult or a backhanded compliment. and as much as you hate mcgrady, this team has a better chance of winning a championship WITH him.
     
    #54 verse, Jan 17, 2009
  15. pli777

    pli777 Member

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2006
    Messages:
    892
    Likes Received:
    143
    Who cares with or without Shaq. He won and tmac didn't.
    Winning speaks volume, whining doesn't.
     
    #55 pli777, Jan 17, 2009
  16. Carladyfan

    Carladyfan Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2008
    Messages:
    57
    Likes Received:
    0
    never said it was, but it's just an excuse to make for a pro elite earning 22 mill a year, and do not contribute a third of what he is paid for, in fact not contributed at all this season, no one is jealous of T-mac, if he performed on a nightly basis like kobe bryant he would be treated like a deity, but instead, he's just a diva, so much drama, with little substance, i dont care if he's moody or he isolate himself from his teammate but, him giving up on court, that's not injury, that's a sort of mental illness, it started two seasons ago, and gets worst and worst, so how much is enough? Some people just cant handle the pressure, macgrady is one of them, sorry, he gets more and more pathetic with each passing season. Not that i wish he cant magically turn things around, but if ur reasonable you would know it is not likely to happen. is T-Mac feeling sorry for himself? sometimes you get the impression that it is all he ever thinks about.
     
    #56 Carladyfan, Jan 17, 2009
  17. DaronMalakian

    DaronMalakian Member

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2008
    Messages:
    692
    Likes Received:
    4
    All McGrady critics now will lick his ass by playoffs. Like last season.
     
    #57 DaronMalakian, Jan 17, 2009
  18. Rocket River

    Rocket River Member

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 1999
    Messages:
    65,157
    Likes Received:
    32,853
    New Drinking Game:

    HOW MANY TEAMMATES WITH TMAC APOLOGIST THROW UNDER THE BUS TO DEFEND TMAC?

    If it is Yao . . .Take a drink
    Shane . . take 2 drinks
    Ron . .. Take 2 drinks
    Von . . . . take a drink
    Rafer . . .take a drink
    AD, LANDRY or Scola. . take 3 drinks


    Rocket River
    . . .I better stop . . it ain't even 8am yet. .
     
    #58 Rocket River, Jan 17, 2009
  19. Rocket River

    Rocket River Member

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 1999
    Messages:
    65,157
    Likes Received:
    32,853
    Who did we play in the 2nd round?

    Rocket River
     
    #59 Rocket River, Jan 17, 2009
  20. Cstyle42

    Cstyle42 Member

    Joined:
    Aug 2, 2008
    Messages:
    22,694
    Likes Received:
    14,296

    Well Wade did get out of the first round of the playoffs without Shaq in his rookie year with just Lamar Odom and Rafer as help.
     
    #60 Cstyle42, Jan 17, 2009
(You must log in or sign up to post here.)
Page 3 of 5

Share This Page

Style
ClutchFans Dark

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Rockets Content

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now