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[Chron]Delfino says Rockets have become too predictable on offense

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by mirus, Nov 8, 2012.

  1. DaGreatest

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    actually not.. OKC's offense is selfish with westbrick shooting ill advised shots and KD forced to make plays when he actually has the rock
     
  2. MONON

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    WOW! A fresh voice of reason. I hope there's a burn ban in Houston. If there isn't, get prepared to be flamed.
     
  3. shortfuse3

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    He's right but man the thing is Harden IS a pick and roll player, kind of like Chris Paul is to the Clips.

    The first and last play the Clips run is a CP3 pick and roll. Harden's our star so if he wants a PnR we're going to give him one, but I agree with Delfino I'd like to see Harden play off the ball more.
     
  4. roxxy

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    For everyone worried about Lin not being involved enough in the offense. Everything Delfino is saying pretty much disproves that. He talks about "we know what James & jeremy can do" in pretty much every quote. Clearly the Rockets are trying to find a way to utilize both players skills as opposed to one over the other. People just need to chill it will work itself out eventually. Both players are unselfish & have High BBIQ's. No reason why they can't figure it out.
     
  5. Easy

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    Lin and Harden played well together in the first two games pretty much by instinct. I think people aren't worried about the players. They are worried about the coaches not figuring out how to set up a good offense using those two guys. All coaches talk the same cliches in practice and in public. But can they implement a good system?
     
  6. roxxy

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    That is very true. Anyway the season has just started. It is really tough to blame the coach so early particularly with such a young team & so many knew players. How do we know that McHale has a good system in place but players just aren't executing it well?
     
  7. MKL

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    Delfino should coach the team.
     
  8. nono

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    Our offense is what you get when you combine two really good pick and roll guards with the worst pick and roll center in the western conference.
     
  9. AvgJoe

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    Let's see how McHale reacts to the losses. If the "simple" plans aren't working, why not try something slightly complicated. One thing is team doesn't lack is basketball IQ, and he's not playing rookies anyways, why care so much about "simple" plays...
     
  10. nono

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    Remember when Harden threw that lob pass to Asik ? Omer ran from it as if it was a grenade.
     
  11. AirSwish

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    Have you seen CP3 play? He passes the ball maybe 90% off his pick and roll. So far, from these last few games, Harden looks more to score than to pass with all the defenders keying on him. I hope they fixed this from the last practice where movement and passing was emphasized.
     
  12. BeeBeard

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    If there's one player whose brain you'd want to pick over how to improve an offense, it would have to be the 7 point a game scorer who couldn't hack it on the Milwaukee Bucks and who throws the basketball away if he's doing anything but shooting a three.

    BRB, off to get free throw shooting pointers from Shaquille O'Neal.
     
  13. Akim523

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    Looks like Im the only one who thinks this predictable talk is ridiculous.

    What is it supposed to mean? Like people didnt know that D'antoni would run that pick n roll every single possession? Like we didnt know Bosh always try to slip through under the basket for the baseline J?

    The offense is just fine, our shooter sucks.
     
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    Agree that our shooter suck right now. We had a ton of open looks, just didn't make them. I do think we need more ball movement and Lin facilitating a little more to try to get his team mates easier baskets.
     
  15. Tyler Hyellie

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    I like how everyone is quick to blame the coaches.

    The players have some accountability as well.

    Asik should never shoot the ball......ever.

    Lin needs to assert himself more and stop deferring to Harden so much.

    James needs to stop dribbling the ball into the lane and getting it stripped....how many times did that happen against Denver the other night? Also he takes ill advised 3's.

    There are a lot of problems with this team, but nothing that can't get worked out.

    I'm not in panic mode yet.
     
  16. JJHardLin

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    Good job Delfino. Now stop shooting off balance jumpshots.
     
  17. OpportunityCost

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    Exactly, I am so happy that Delfino spoke up because this is a simpleton offense that is going to run Lin and Harden into the ground.
     
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    No disrespect to you, but this is the same unimaginative, simpleton offense that McHale used last year, and he's doing it again this year. I don't think it is going to change. Even if the players do play better, they still should have a better offensive framework to work in which could potentially facilitate scoring, other than this pick-and-roll, free-lancing, YMCA, standing around ball. It has to end. This is the kind of offense I would expect a fifth-grade YMCA team to be built on. Not an NBA team. It needs to be much more multi-faceted.
     
  19. MambaJoe

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    Im glad he see it that way also. The Rockets offense is nothing but either ISO Harden or Lin and let them play 1 on 1 or its pick & roll with one of them. With only those two plays, of course any professional team will quickly figure it out, that's why Harden and Lin was struggling lately.

    It really hurts when the Rockets fired Rick Adelman simply because when he was the coach, the Rockets offense was always running smoothly where everyone was able to score. His motion offense was incredible. Now with McHale, the Rockets offense is so stagnant that everyone just stands there and watches while Harden is struggling to make a play while a defender is all over him and another defender is shadowing him.

    The Rockets really need to start running some offensive plays out there. The JVG offensive play was similar but a little better and much better defensively. This year, the Rockets struggle sometimes on defense but are terrible on offense.

    The Rockets starting 5 will struggle offensively most of the time. Omer and Parsons are more defensive minded, Patrick Patterson isn't aggressive enough and just camps out most of the time and shoot long jumpshots while Lin isn't much of a shooter and struggles from the field. Only Harden is the only one in that starting lineup that can create a shot for himself that well.

    The Rockets desperately needs another guy that can create for himself. The Rockets may be deep at the forward position but none of them are able to create for themselves and relies on someone else to do so for them. Even with a superstar like Harden, it'll be incredibly hard for him to consistently score on just ISO and p&r. The defense will always have a player tightly on him and another player shadowing him throughout the game, because they know that no one else on the Rockets are a threat, not even Lin.

    Watching the Rockets for the last few games have been extremely frustrating. The offense is terrible and no one is moving at all. They can't score on fast break either. Its like everyone just stands there and watches Harden try to make something happen. The Rockets average the most turnovers in the NBA because other guys tries to create instead of Harden and ends up losing the ball.
     
  20. MambaJoe

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    Even though the Rockets last year lacked a superstar, everyone was well rounded and they play extremely hard night in and night out. They always outworked the opponents and the fight for every single win. Everyone in the last year's team played so well together because they were still using the motion offense from the Adelman's era. This year, with everyone's gone, this new group doesn't really have an offensive play.
     

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