1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

[Chron] Dawson teaching Yao to power up

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Hayesfan, Jun 17, 2007.

  1. tsunami

    tsunami Member

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2006
    Messages:
    3,095
    Likes Received:
    1
    Excuse my ignorance, but did CD coach any good big men before? Was Dream one of them ?
     
  2. hooroo

    hooroo Member

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2003
    Messages:
    19,299
    Likes Received:
    1,918
    You're too ignorant to read the artcile in the OP? How do you manage to post? :p
     
  3. tsunami

    tsunami Member

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2006
    Messages:
    3,095
    Likes Received:
    1
    Sorry I just read it again. And CD coached Dream? For real ?
     
  4. tsunami

    tsunami Member

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2006
    Messages:
    3,095
    Likes Received:
    1
    which is good and necessary
     
  5. Mav-Hater

    Mav-Hater Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2004
    Messages:
    1,942
    Likes Received:
    185
    Didn't his wife run the country?
     
  6. Mav-Hater

    Mav-Hater Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2004
    Messages:
    1,942
    Likes Received:
    185
    For all these CD can't coach Knuckleheads, Like any teacher, you have good and bad students. Mo Taylor did develope a jump hook he used as a Rocket as did Eddie Griffin. These two were both about as fat dumb and happy as they could get with contracts and didn't work on what they were taught. Ralph Sampson developed a good Hook learned from CD. Dream credits CD, Guy V, and Pete NEwell as the best big man Coaches he's ever worked with. Elvin Hayes and Mo Malone worked with CD. Carl Herrera developed a nice jump hook and baseline turnaround he credits to cd. For every one of them there are two failures. Does it mean anything? No. For every one success in the NBA there are twice the failures on any team. For every one of Tom TH successs he has two or more failures and weve seen he can work with Yao and Ewing but he sure doesn't have the list of names CD can claim. You guys sound like my flippin kids arguing about who's ego is bigger and who can't coach. Bottom Line: They both can coach and one is irrellevant to us now. Now finish your veggies and go to your room until you can come out and play nice.
     
  7. tsunami

    tsunami Member

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2006
    Messages:
    3,095
    Likes Received:
    1
    I just read that Yao would come back to China in July, and CD would travel with Yao in charge of his training.
     
  8. wnes

    wnes Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2003
    Messages:
    8,196
    Likes Received:
    19
    The excuse made for the disgraced head coach JVG that Hakeem could not tutor Yao is due to the "conflicting schedules" of the two big men.

    Now what do you Gundy lovers have to say about the fact that even Rockets' own CD was not allowed by JVG to teach Yao?
     
  9. ooliverb1

    ooliverb1 Member

    Joined:
    Aug 23, 2002
    Messages:
    1,159
    Likes Received:
    1
    Actually if you read between the lines in Justice's article, it sort of implied that with all the talking about cabs in Shanghai etc.
     
  10. pryuen

    pryuen Member

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2003
    Messages:
    4,316
    Likes Received:
    0
    I read that too from the latest article of Wang Meng.

    http://nba.sports.tom.com/2007-06-18/0424/84013046.html

    But I doubted about the genuineness of this article, as we all knew Wang Meng is now back into Beijing.

    And the article just came out shortly after Richard Justice's article about Yao Ming training together with CD and Stanley Robert......

    Anyway, if what Wang Meng wrote is true, particularly about that portion of Hakeem the Dream Olajuwon had had a couple of additional sessions with Big Yao after that highly publicized one, then that's GREEEEEEEEEEAT !!! :D
     
  11. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 1999
    Messages:
    129,148
    Likes Received:
    39,641
    I do agree that the Rockets are trying to subtly point out that JVG and his regimented rules were part of the problem, which I agreed with anyway, but they are clearly trying to distance themselves from JVG's regime.

    DD
     
  12. DieHard Rocket

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2000
    Messages:
    9,413
    Likes Received:
    1,161
    CD is responsible for taking Dream to the next level, turning him into the MVP that we saw in '94, and the player that basically stole took the MVP right out of the hands of David Robinson in the '95 playoffs.

    Dream was very good already when CD started with him, just like Yao is now, but he wasn't an MVP.
     
  13. denniscd

    denniscd Member

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2003
    Messages:
    1,122
    Likes Received:
    26
    cd was there from hakeems rookie year...cd was pushed out by les...its just a made up story that he retired...and you can kill the messenger all you want, but thibodeau is far superior as a teacher than cd. you will see by the results next year. and who said jvg was an ego maniac...the players?
     
  14. jopatmc

    jopatmc Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2002
    Messages:
    15,370
    Likes Received:
    390

    you don't know what you're talking bout.
     
  15. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 1999
    Messages:
    129,148
    Likes Received:
    39,641
    Now, CD was forced out? Dude, you need a link or some credentials, because right now you sound like you are making stuff up.

    DD
     
  16. TMac#1

    TMac#1 Member

    Joined:
    May 31, 2006
    Messages:
    2,776
    Likes Received:
    0
    I am glad to see Yao finally get some decent coaching. It sounds like Hakeen and CD are really teaching him a lot, and I expect Yao to be a much impoved player next yr.

    I think this whole thing with Yao this offseason has shown what a rotten job JVG and his staff did.

    We kept seeing Yao make the same mistakes over and over again, simple things like dunking instead of laying it soft or bringing the ball down and getting slapped away. Everytime I'd see him make those same mistakes, I thought, these are simple mistakes that can be corrected, why doensn't someone tell him to dunk the damn ball or stop bringing it down? He wasn't being coached worth a damn that's why.

    MVP season for Yao if he stay's healthy and keeps working on his mistakes.
     
  17. denniscd

    denniscd Member

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2003
    Messages:
    1,122
    Likes Received:
    26
    oh the cd apologists live on...cd's ego is loving this...just show the stats baby..you will see if he was being coached well. but you guys have probably never coached or led anything in your life so you just love to be critical of guys like thibodeau even though you never saw them work ever. by the way, cd wants yao to be a power player and adelman wants him in the high post...cd on his own agenda again and again and again
     
  18. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 1999
    Messages:
    129,148
    Likes Received:
    39,641
    Did CD take a whiz in your drink?
    Who is apologizing for CD?
    Who is saying Thibodeau didn't do a good job?

    You are making a lot of assumptions here.

    I think Thibodeau did a good job with Yao, no doubt about it, but you can have more than one coach, and I am glad that Yao is getting additional tutoring. Each coach may teach Yao something different, and that can only help Yao in his development, right?

    As for CD, I think he has been trying to remake the old Rockets for years, and has not quite gotten it done, he has left the organization, and was part of the leadership that brought 2 championships to the city so he gets a bit of leeway in being remembered, just like Rudy T.

    Why do you hate CD so much? Are you saying that CD forced out JVG? Maybe I have missed it in some of your posts, but I was sort of gone for a while.

    DD
     
  19. jopatmc

    jopatmc Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2002
    Messages:
    15,370
    Likes Received:
    390


    DD,

    Just ignore him, man. It ain't worth it. He's not even in your league man. Don't lower yourself to that.
     
  20. yao_fan_2007

    yao_fan_2007 Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2007
    Messages:
    432
    Likes Received:
    0

    Nobody is saying CD > Thibodeau. Nobody.

    Tom Thibodeau did a great job on Yao Ming. Look at the Yao JVG and Tom created. Yao is a great player and all credit should go to them.

    However, it can't hurt for Yao to receive a small 1 on 1 training session with a Hakeem or a CD. Why not? That it happened 5 years into Yao's career is sort of sad.

    I've read accounts that JVG is the one responsible for this. What the hell did Ewing teach Yao? Why not bring in a Kareem Abdul Jabaar who publicly wanted to teach Yao.

    Anyway, Tom did agreat job. I wish he was still with the Rockets.
     

Share This Page