Montana won 1 without those guys. Marino has only been to one and lost, and he rewrote the record books. To turn your argument around, how many QBs won a SB without a good line and a great D- Brady wouldn't even qualify if this was the arguement? Wlater did win a SB, and I am sorry but I would not call McMahon a "great" QB. Who was the Raiders QB when they won with Allen in '83? How many did Elway win before TD? Aikman is a wash because he had a stellar Oline and Emmit Smith, plus Irvin. Bradshaw had Harris. Marino never won and only got to one. He was one of the best to play the game - never had a good RB though. I forgot, what did Montana do with the Chiefs - did they win a SB? How many did Young win in Tampa? If you read my post you saw that I said a bad QB can kill you. Who were the QBs with Sanders and the Lions? Who were the QBs that Dickerson got to play with? Who did Campbell get to play with? Was OJ paired with any good ones - I honestly don't remember this one? You need a good one- yes, and it is nice to have a great one, but it is an overrated position - they get too much glory and too much blame. If you can't see that then there is no point debating with you.
If we don't get Young, we better get Bush at least. Carr can't carry this franchise.... He's garbage.
I've got a little suspicion (and I say this as a huge VY fan) that talent relative to competition might have something to do with that. Outside of VY, the Longhorns have 4 and 5 star talents all over the field... clearly among the elite in the entire country. Outside of Carr, for the most part, the Texans have players that are garbage at the NFL level and are at the bottom of the league in talent. Call it a hunch, but I'm guessing that has something to do with why the players around VY seem "better" than the players around Carr.
I thought so too until I found out that even with this extension, Carr's contract is not so unmanageable as to prevent his getting traded. They can still choose to draft VY and trade Carr (and there would be teams interested in acquiring Carr) if they decide to take the rebuilding path.
Agreed. I don't think Carr's contract is as bad as some of us are making it out to be. The only bad part is the 8M bonus we will have to eat, but we're gonna have to pay it no matter what I guess. As for trade possiblities, there are a handful of teams that really need a QB. And of the ones that are "available," Carr could be pretty high on some of the lists. Culpepper's injuries and age don't make him as appetizing as he should be. Rivers hasn't played all that much. Teams like the Raiders, Dolphins, Cardinals could all use a QB like Carr.
Take the rebuilding path? The team was 2 and fricken 14, they ARE REBUILDING !!!!! This team has never done anything but rebuild, as far as I can see, they have had no cohesive plan of action, no design for growth, and no being held responsible for performance or actions. I can not for the life of me fathom how Charlie Casserly is still around, he has built the team that actually was WORSE in it's fourth year than in it's first, and whose QB actually seems more gun shy now then in his first 2 years when he was getting pounded every game. (Which by the way is one of the reasons I think he is not ever going to develop into a top notch QB -gun shy). The Texans need to start over...Bush nor Young is going to make them a playoff contender in the next 2 years. DD
It's sad when we can see this as mere fans from the outside, but the Texans insiders, management, and coaches cannot.
Just look at #1 picks on QBs versus RBs over the last 35 years. It is something like 12 superbowl victories and 15 superbowl appearences for the QBs to NONE and NONE for the RBs (see page 33 of the thread below for every one selected). Some of the RBs were unbelievable pro players in their primes as well--Campbell, OJ, Bo Jackson--still no superbowl titles or even appearences. You can break it down by hall of fame RBs versus hall of fame QBs and you get a similar skew towards the QBs. Extend it to playoff victories and playoff successes, same deal. You can call these coincidences if you want to. http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=107174&page=33&pp=20&highlight=plunkett For me, I'll take my pro-bowl regular or hall of fame caliber QB over the same level running back. Heck, I might take a consistent pro-bowl QB (e.g., McNair, McNabb) over a hall of fame RB (Barry Sanders, Payton). Do you honestly believe the same level running back is as influentional on team success as they same level QB--other factors being equal (same Oline, defense, etc)? So IC, I took care of your point too. In short, the question I think the Texans need to make is VY more likely to be great NFL QB than Carr or Leinart? If you think Carr is equal or close enough, sure, look towards Bush or another player, and in particular look to get them trading down to a team who wants to be sure of selecting VY or ML--like what the Chargers did for the Giants to get Eli. I think there are very few qualities either Carr or ML have over VY, and VY excells in a lot qualities far beyond them. If the Texans don't select him they should trade the pick for a ton (barring VY looking terrible in workouts and sinking his worth--doubtfull) and still get Bush or someone else.
Oh reall? He's GARBAGE? Then explain to me why he is playing in the NFL and had his contract extended?
David Carr is the man. I'm ecstatic the Texans resigned him. If they draft Young or Leinart... it'd just be wrong and bad. Bush, Ferguson, or trading the pick is the answer.
