Chron: Bosh will be a key piece of Rockets' puzzle

There was no similar supporting cast. David west is almost as good as Bosh and Toronto doesn't have anyone close to Paul. It is okay to dislike the guy but at least be factual.

 

Very good post. Reflective of what Morey's doing which is floating the idea of Bosh to Houston through the media.

 

Budinger + Hill + Jeffries + Anderson + NY picks sends out salaries of just over 75% of Bosh's max salary, without gutting the core of our team. Maybe Toronto does the deal because it takes on the least amount of salary possible, while getting two young assets plus picks.

 

Per Larry Coon, the max salary Bosh can get will start at $16.6 million:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=coon_larry&page=capanalysis-100416

So we need to send out 75% of $16.6 million, less $100K.*

* Scola's salary would only count for 50%, as he will be a BYC player. So Scola being part of the deal would be a longshot, especially because he would have to agree to a sign and trade to Toronto.

 

Not really.

Peja>Lazy Hedo with fat contract, who skips games to go to bars.
Chandler>Bargnani gets out rebounded by midgets
David West>Amir Johnson, West is an All-star. Johnson is perennial scrub.

Replace Bargnani with Tyson Chandler, Amir Johnson with David West, Peja with Turkoglu. Let's see how Chris Paul does playing with Bargnani, Johnson and Turkoglu and Bosh with David West Chandler, and Peja.

 

Yes to Bosh please.

 

Okay, fine. Bosh is not as good as Paul. So what?

 

I think both teams are pretty even. btw chandler isn't on the team anymore, he was traded for okafor.

 

The reason why I didn't comment to that particular comparison is because frankly, it makes absolutely no sense to me. Why would you compare a PG who has David West, James Posey, and Darren Collison backing him up to a 7'0 PF who has really had nothing next to him?? And what exactly has Chris Paul carried the Hornets to?? A second round appearance in the playoffs? Bosh has perennially been a 20/10 guy, he's played on the US Olympic team, he's just as much the face of the franchise as Paul is, and he's achieved pretty much exactly what Chris Paul has.

Again though.....what does Chris Paul have anything to do with this discussion?? I can bring up a whole slew of players that have accomplished as much, or more than either of these guys, but I'm not because they have no relevancy to what the conversation is about.

 

ariza plus hill and jeffries will make about 15 million next year together
bosh is supposed to make about 17 million. how close do the salaries have to match up and whats the deal about the salary cap and blah blah? it looks like those salaries would work, maybe add in this year's 1st round draft pick

brooks lowry
martin taylor
battier budinger
scola hayes
bosh yao

 

Bosh is available

Paul is not

I think Paul is a little better player, but not substantially, besides, we don't need a PG to create, this team is loaded with guys that can create their own shot, what we need is length on the interior, it was frustrating watching the Rockets just be too short to grab a rebound, regardless of how hard they worked. You can't fix short.

 

i most definately think bosh is better than david west.

 

This needs to be said. The teams with cap space really have the upper hand in the deal if they want to get in. My prime example is OK City. Now I'm not saying ok city is or wants to be in it, but if they wnt to, they have a great package without giving up alot. They already have enough to sign him to max without giving up anyone. They have the guy who finished 2nd in the mvp, a very,very good pg, and Ibaka can be a defensive force. Brooks is a good young coach who is getting great effort. He would be 200 miles from home, but out of state in a place where the cost of living is dirt cheap an they hav pretty good weather. Anyone who has been to a thunder game can get the feeling that its like a college basketball atmosphere. You don't see alot of stuffed suits in the lower bowl either. Just for trade purposes, they could offer bj mullens for a sign and trade of bosh.

Another team to keep and eye on are the spurs. Why? Because they have the best big in europe(splitter), and expiring contract(jefferson 15m), and a recent history of winning rings. At this stage, duncan is better than yao,parker is better than brooks,and manu is still widely considered a better player than martin. Are there enough balls? Don't know, but it would be like passing the torch and they can realistically sell the idea the team is a contender with him.

People are also discounting a team like miami with wade. Now dealing with them comes with warning signs, but guys like wade and bosh talk alot about hooking up. Miami could resign wade and sign bosh and still have 14m in cap room to sign other players or as i like to say, absorb contracts. Thats huge when talking about capspace. Thats how ok city got maynor in a salary dump and clippers got camby by absorbing a contract. Having the ability to absorb a guy with a contract his team is trying to dump becomes a great asset.

It would be great to get bosh for sure, I just think other teams can do it more effeciently than the rockets. Now if boch says he wants to come to houston, then the ball goes into the court of the raptors. If houston is one of the teams, then the rockets have a slim to none chance.

 

Exactly, they are exagerating the value of Paul supporting cast, with has been seen how they play when CP3 is absent, like a great PG, he makes mediocre players look great (just look how West or Chandler have played without CP3, and compare them with CP3 playing at his best).....

anyway, if saying that David West is as good as Bosh was part of their argument.....

 

1. It doesn't matter, they would still be paying players they don't want
2. They would rather let him walk then take on huge salaries
3. No he wouldn't

Keep repeating yourself but you will still be wrong.

 

i agree totally. we are just one of them. even worse, we may very well be at the bottom of the list. let me ask everyone a question. on this board, i guess more than 50 % posters don't have confidence yao will be back to what he was before the last injury. how can you convince bosh to believe he will be paired with yao?

 

Normally I would agree, Morey just goes beneath the table and snags the guys he like, however, in this case I would disagree. Its kind of like him publicly saying that we're going to keep Lowry and Scola at all cost, obviously if someone offer Lowry 10 mil a year, we're not going to keep him, so its just a challenge to any team that wants to try it. He's challenging any team to try to out bid him for Bosh, and I know some times will try (Dallas mainly, maybe SA or NY or something) but I think we have the upper hand.

This situation kind of reminds me of the Astros with Beltran a few years back, even though they didn't resign Beltran.

 

I've never seen any reports about the Kings and Greene, but it doesn't matter. Realistically, we could have done the same deal for Artest on draft night if the Kings were that enthused about Greene. I think Donte was Morey's pick and just so happened to be the piece that put us over the top for the Kings.

Bosh's SnT scenario is a different ball game. It would be really stupid for the Rockets to make a pick the Raptors like when we have no guarantee that Bosh even wants to play for Houston. The smartest thing to do is to pick the best player available to add to our pool of assets.

 

Great post. I still disagree that the Raptors are going to take on salary and wheel and deal just to land Jordan Hill.

 

It's just my feeling but I bet two things happen:

1. Morey doesn't give up Hill, Chase, Ariza, Martin, Yao, Shane, Lowry, Aaron, or Scola. Everyone else plus picks are game.

2. Morey will target someone else but not Bosh. On the surface he may appear to interested but I don't think he'll be serious. I'm not in the Bosh camp but then I'm not the GM.

I could also see Morey using picks or money to move up in the draft for a backup 5 he feels can contibute right away, at least defensively, we have scorers.

Just a feeling.

cmiller