Chron: Bosh will be a key piece of Rockets' puzzle

Colangelo has leverage when it comes to sign and trade. He only loses his leverage when Bosh decides to walk. But that is a lose-lose situationa, Bosh and his agent simply won't do that.

Hill's 9th pick doesn't mean anything. If you re draft again, I doubt he'll get in to the lottery pick. When Spurs offered two 1st rounder for Nazar Mohammad, who was not even in the same neighbourhood of Bosh, you know that Hill + 2 picks wouldn't seem to be reasonable. Almost every team would beat that offer for a franchise player.

 

The max players usually leave through sign and trade than free agency.

After Hill and T-Mac, Magic did the sign and trade with Seattle for Rashard for a 2nd round pick.

 

What?　You mean how Rockets got Tmac? 3 of the 5 starting players and an all-star included. They also took back bad contracts like JHo. That is under the condition Tmac specificlly said he'd come to Houston.

Now Bosh is like a Tmac and everybody know's he's leaving Toronto. Hill+ 2 picks simply won't do that.

Hill was not close to Lebron's level even though he was as porpular as it gets. And Pistons knew he'd never been the same after the surgery.

 

I am talking about T-Mac leaving Toronto. Everybody knew he was leaving. They traded T-Mac to the Magic for a 1st round pick and a trade exception.

 

Again Lewis is not comparable since nobody else would sign him that much money. Many teams would sign Bosh to a max.

Totally different situation. And it actually made OKC and Chicago more likely to sign Bosh because they can do a sign and trade using cap space plus young talents, Toronto doesn't need to take any bad contract back.

 

Seeing as how Luis is a restricted free agent, he would have to agree to be signed and traded to Toronto. I haven't seen anything to make me think he is interested in going to Toronto, or that he wants to play for any other team but Houston. Sure, he's made the obligatory comments about the NBA being a business, but my distinct impression around the deadline was that Scola dreaded the thought of being moved. Money has a loud voice, so if he were offered a larger contract with Toronto in a sign and trade than we could afford to give him, things could change. Does Toronto want to pay a premium for Scola?

Brooks is something else altogether. Morey can trade him without "getting permission." Do we really want to do that?

 

Tmac showed great potential there but he wasn't the same caliber player Bosh is now.

To compare Bosh and Tmac, the time Rockets acquired Tmac has the most similarity. Both are established super stars without much team success, both want to get wins and money.

 

No he doesn't, especially not this summer. The Hawks only had to give up two #1's and Diaw for JJ, and he was restricted. Kmart was shipped for three #1's and he was restricted. Lewis was unrestricted in a summer with 2-3 buyers and the Sonics could only get a 2nd rounder. Bosh is unrestricted and has tons of legit options to sign with ourtight this summer. Yeah he will lose money but he will still get a max deal. If he walks Toronto doesn't get jack, and it's not like he can't walk to good teams (OKC, Mia, Chi).

 

It depends on what Rockets get in return. For Jason Terry, no. For Chris Bosh, yes.

 

And that's exactly why Toronto has no leverage. The only leverage they have is what Bosh gives them. He can walk away and still get paid, just not as much. It's a much bigger blow for the Raptors to lose him for nothing.

 

Again, you compare oranges with apples. None of the players are considered same caliber as Bosh, and all of those guys signed a much bigger contract than their original team and other NBA teams were willing to offer.

Bosh is considered a franchise player in NBA and bascilly everyone would agree to sign him max deal. That's why you'll need more assets to get him, a lot more.

 

That actually shows Toronto has leverage. Because without Toronto, Bosh wouldn't get the "MAX" he is supposed to get. 30 million isn't a small amount, even for Bosh.

It's a lose lose situation if Bosh doesn't go sign and trade route. And it's wishful thinking by fans here that he'll take 30 mil less for no obvisou reason.

 

Joe Johnson, Grant Hill, Rashard Lewis and Tracy McGrady were all of the same caliber.

Martin was a tier down.

There is no leverage here for Toronto. Morey simply has to make the offer slightly better for Toronto than having Bosh walk away for nothing.

 

Not really. Don't forget that T-mac and Hill had contract offers from the Magic, before being signed by their own teams in a sign and trade. Free agents can take it, and their teams can let them go or do the trade and get something back.

 

He's walking away from $30 million bucks. That's hardly "nothing," don't you think?

 

Joe Johnso and Tmac weren't even an all star at that time. Lewis is a one time all star behind Ray Allen. Grant Hill was damaged goods after surgery.

They were not the same caliber players as Bosh now at the point when they got traded. Bosh is considered a franchis player, none of other guys (except Grant Hill before surgery) had reached that point at that time.

 

The reason is their stake wasn't that high at that point. TMac a couple years too early, Hill a season too late.

Bosh's value is as high as when Tmac became a Rocket.

 

To be honest, It won't surprise me if Bosh personally reject the deal if Rockes only offered Hill + 2 1st rounders. That's an insult to his value, and it seems Bosh has a big ego.

 

Dude, it's a sign and trade. No one, Bosh included, is going to take the offers on the table as indicative of his true market value. It doesn't work that way. The last marquee free agent to go the sign-and-trade route that I can remember, was Rashard Lewis - he went for a future second-round pick and a trade exception. Was that an insult to Lewis' value? No, it's just the way things work when the team doesn't have a lot of leverage.