Chron: Bosh will be a key piece of Rockets' puzzle

It's not just the cap space. It's the fact that they won't be shelling out money for the salaries of two guys who won't make them any better or attract any fans.

 

Didn't miss that part I just think if Hedo has to be part of the deal then the Rockets are going to walk away in a hurry.

 

You didn't have to post the same thing even once because Bosh isn't going to leave 30 mil on the table and just walk away. And if he just walks, Rockets won't be in play.

In other words, it has to be a sign and trade in traditional sense if Rockets would have any chance to land Bosh.

For a sign and trade, there are tons of teams that have better assets to offer than Hill + 2 pick garbage from Rockets.

 

Why do they need to be $14 million? Houston can take back 125% back in salary plus 100k.

Hayes($2.3 mil), Hill($2.7), Andersen($2.5), Jeffries ($6.9 mil) + 2012 NY draft pick($0)= $14.4 mil

Hayes is a team option. They can decline the option and the Rockets can resign him.

$2.7 mil is for Hill. They want Hill, so they might as well pay him.

Andersen and Jeffries is $8.4 mil. Rockets can include $3 million in cash considerations.

That's $5.4 mil for the year. whoopte do. Plus they get NY's 2012 pick. It costs $3 mil to buy a pick, so they can even sell the pick in 2012.

That's $2.4 mil. Oh no.

 

Great post. Plus Rep...

 

I dont think teams have these other great packages. Especially teams that BOSH will want to play for (because it will be via S&T because Bosh wants to be paid and probably should be given a max deal)

Bosh has also said he pretty much wants to be the alpha dog.

Bosh also wants to win.

Not a lot of teams qualify for this we are definetly on the short list.

 

Your assumption is Hill is the only guy they want. I bet not. A backup up gaurd/Foward's stake isn't that high. For example, if Yao is healthy and wants to get traded, would Rockets just take George Hill and a couple garbage picks even if they are interested in Hill? Hell no. A lot teams would offer a lot more than that for Yao. Rockets would take the best offer, and for a guy like Yao/Bosh's caliber, prove young good player is a must.

When you ship out franchise player, cap relief doesn't mean much. In the end, cap space is used to sign good players, why don't you get a couple proven real good players using your chips now instead of pay bad players a whole year and hope to sign somebody with the money next year? That doesn't make sense if a GM's mind set is right.

 

1) They wouldn't have any cap space.
2) Toronto would get nothing in return for Bosh.
3) Jerry Colangelo would lose his job.

choujie: It doesn't matter who Toronto wants. It's who Bosh will allow them to take.

I'm just going to keep repeating myself until it sinks in.

 

If Toronto wants take even less salary back, they can take Taylor and Battier instead of Jeffries and Andersen

.$2.3 m Hayes
.$2.7 m Hill
.$0.8 m Taylor
.$7.4 m Battier
----------------------
$13.2 m x 125% = $16.5 m+100k = $16.6 mil.

That's enough to take back Bosh.

Decline Hayes Option $2.3m
$10.9m

Get $3 mil in cash consideration from the Rockets(covers almost 40% of Battier's salary)
$7.9m

$2.7 mil for Hill. Why ask for him in a trade, if you don't want to pay him?
$5.2m

Sell NY's 2012 draft pick for $3 mil
$3.2m for worthless salary.

They can even trade Shane's expiring contract away in February to get a player they want.

$2.6 mil for Shane's salary between February and April.
$0.6 mil. for worthless salary.

 

Detroit traded Grant Hill for Chucky Atkins and Ben Wallace. What did McGrady get traded for? Gasol got traded for Kwame Brown.

 

It's not about Bosh only. It's the interest for all three parties. Bosh allow Toronto to get what they want, he gets 30 million more, the other team gets Bosh.

In the end, if Rockets want to get Both, it has to be a sign and trade, and they'll have to give reasonable value in return, otherwise they'd lost to other teams. Colangelo would lose his job immediately if he trades Bosh for Hill + 2 picks.

 

The deadline on that option is June 30. Players can't be dealt after the trade deadline if they're expiring or could expire through an option or eto.

 

People get hung up on the fact that there is a difference between trading for a guy and committing to a sign-and-trade. In the SnT scenario, Toronto has less leverage than they would have during the season. However, this isn't to say they are void of leverage -- they could simply refuse to trade him to us. I think Jordan Hill and draft picks should be enough to get the deal done, but I'd like to keep our 1st rounder this year to help add to the team.

 

No he wouldn't -- Colangelo has no leverage. The only team he has some leverage on is the Rockets.. but Jordan Hill and 1st round picks is a hell of a lot better than letting Bosh walk to an Eastern Conference team.

I think we disagree on that point of what is reasonable value -- I believe Jordan Hill and multiple draft picks is certainly reasonable in a SnT deal. That's essentially the #9 draft pick and multiple other 1st rounders for a guy who could leave your team for nothing.. I think it's certainly reasonable.

 

If the Rockets really want to get silly with giving Toronto more money and assets, they can include their 2010 1st round pick($0 value in trade). In a seperate transaction, buy Toronto's 2nd round pick for $ 3 mil. Essentially, we swap picks, but pay them $3 mil to offset Jeffries salary even more.

That's $ 6 mil in cash we give them to cover Jeffries($3 mil in Bosh trade, $3 mil to buy 2nd pick).

 

We can't talk to Bosh or even Toronto about a SnT until July. The draft is in June. Any guy we select at #14 is going to be who the Rockets want, not who the Raptors want. Meaning, I don't see the point in buying Toronto's 2nd round pick if the player will already be picked by them.

 

Tmac and Grand Hill are damaged goods. Gasol deal was a mystery and how many times it happened in last 10 years? Memphis would get Gasol for more and cap space seemed to be their only concern. Toronto is not in the same situation. They are not really comparable.

 

There's plenty of loopholes the Rockets could use to wipe out the salary Toronto has to pay Jeffries or Battier. It's not even worth discussing.

 

We were in a similiar situation with Donte Greene and the Kings. The Kings didn't keep a secret about their love for Donte Greene, so we selected him. He had a nice summer league, then we traded him to the Kings for Artest.

I am sure the Raptors may show interest in other players around their draft pick range.

 

T-Mac was pretty healthy back then. Orlando thought they had a coup in getting Hill and T-mac. Hill was the Lebron of the era.