Chron: Bosh will be a key piece of Rockets' puzzle

If we HAVE to give up someone for Bosh and i mean "HAVE TO," then it's going have to be either Ariza or Battier. We can not afford to lose Lowry or Scola...they're very crucial to the foundation of this team.

 

Everyone who thinks this is a smokescreen must have forgotten about rocketsfanslovegortat@gmail.com. Morey doesn't play free agency as close to the vest as he does trades and drafts. The question is whether Bosh is actually worth the max. That's what it'll take to get him, if he even wants to come here at all.

 

Exactly, so if we trade him now (this summer), he'll require a buyout for the upcoming NBA season 10-11, right.

Regardless, I don't see there being any type of "bidding war" coming out of this from CHI, MIA, or NY. They really have nothing appealing that would interest the Raptors more than us. Even if LA offers Bynum, do you really think they'll take a center THAT injury prone? I mean we can warn them about that type of move, take a look at our own 7 footer....

 

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dude, Chris Bosh is hilarious. He'd be a great addition to the team's chemistry I bet.

 

...and it came to pass in those days, elementary logic flew over the head of the BBS ...

 

yet another reason why he should come here. he will never have to worry about getting all star votes when he has a billion people voting for him in china

 

Toronto isn't going to part with Bosh for picks and fringe rotation players only. They are going to want a legit, proven player. Scola or Brooks are going and simply because of age and his new MIP award my bet is it's Brooks. We are going to lose another rotation player or two as well for salary reasons.

Brooks
Battier
Jeffries
2011 pick

In exchange for Bosh and any scrubs Toronto has to unload for roster purposes. I can also see a guy like Budinger being thrown in in exchange for a more versatile defender/slasher type guy like Derozan.

 

That's a more realistic than any of the posts proposed in this thread. I wouldn't be surprised to see Scola or Hill /another 1st rounder is thrown in as well.

Do people here think Bosh is garbage? You gotta give up something good to get something good in return.

 

It doesnt matter what they want.

They gambled at the trade deadline about CB4 resigning. They lost (probably) and July first is when they debt comes due.

 

Bosh is not under contract (or at least won't be once he opts out). This isn't a trade in the traditional sense.

(How many times am I going to have to post the same thing?)

 

Bosh is leaving through a sign and trade. Based on his excellent relationship with the Toronto franchise and the whole extra $30 million if he signs with Toronto that is almost 100% certain.

So if we can agree that he will, in fact, be traded then it does matter what Toronto wants. Rebuilding teams tend to want young (cheap) talent, draft picks and expiring contracts (in that order) when giving up a superstar. You can bet Scola or Brooks is going and my bet is Brooks. He's young, he's got a huge upside, he's cheap and he's fun to watch. In order to make salaries match the Rockets will have to part with some high dollar guys. Both Battier and Jeffries are expiring and can contribute a bit on the court. Brooks, Battier, Jeffries combo comes very close to matching Bosh's salary. Throw a lottery pick in the sweeten the deal and I think you have a package that will get Bosh in Houston.

 

Correct.

Why do people keep talking about 'wut wuud Turun2 want 4 Boosh?'

It's really quite irrelevant.

Bosh wants to go, Toronto can either let him fly (and end up with a whopping $6million in cap space to entice a marquee FA replacement - unlikely) OR they can play 'deal or no deal' with Bosh.

IF Bosh chooses Houston as his destination, then Toronto is foolish to say 'we won't help you at all' - that is a paraphrase for "we screw over marquee players"

so IF he chooses Houston, it is then about Toronto salvaging something.

Salvage does NOT equal "fair deal" - if you don't believe me, go do some research on the history of marquee moves in S&Ts to their 'preferred destination' over the years.

If Houston was to offer a talent like Jordan Hill, suddenly the Raptors would be thinking 'score, there's SOMETHING in return'. Throw in Battier and Jeffries to make salaries match, and suddenly you have a vet who could be flipped to a champ team near the deadline for something else in return.
Beyond that, I would only offer them 1 further first round pick. Take it or leave it, but if Bosh is going to walk anyway, then Toronto might as well make a deal.
A further option would be to keep the pick and take on salary instead - if they were looking to dump Calderon or Jack, then perhaps we could talk about that with them (however I'd be hesitant on Calderon's contract - that thing is big, long and just awful...)

 

You guys are living in a fantasy world if you think Colangelo is going to take on $17+ million in contracts without getting any proven NBA talent in return just to make Bosh happy. They would rather let him walk and have the cap room.

The Rockets are going to have to part with Scola or Brooks to bring Bosh here.

 

If Chris Bosh chooses Houston, Raptors dont have much leverage

 

Sure they do. They will tell him "ok, Chris, have a nice life with your new team but we aren't doing a sign and trade. We'll enjoy the cap space and you go find a team with cap space available to sign you. Oops! Houston doesn't have any cap space! Guess you'll have to go somewhere else unless you want to play by our rules."

 

You're ignoring the facts.

We give them Battier who could very possibly be traded to a contending team at the deadline for more assets.

Jordan Hill who is young, cheap, and has high upside. Reportedly they're already interested in him.

And a first round draft pick or two.

Also, we don't tie up their capspace. Battier and Jeffries are expirings.

Why would they pass it up? If Bosh says Houston then that offer will look mighty fine.

 

They only have $9 mil in cap space, if he walks. $1.5 mil goes to 1st round pick, and about another $0.5 k for the 2nd round pick. They have $7 mil in cap space, who hoo. They can offer a little more than the MLE to fill out the 11th-15th spots.

 

Well, "silly" is my middle name...

Never? We'll see, but I'm not so sure.

The problem is, Hill (and Llull) are being valued based on expected value. On a scale of 1-10, maybe he's a 4 now, could turn out to be somewhere between a 6 and a 9, and they value him at 7.5. I'm sure that all the concerned parties are better able than I to evaluate where he might end up. Still, I can't shake the feeling that we're going to get 7.5 value, when he might be a 9.

I'm making up the numbers for the sake of argument; don't tell me he can't be a 9, or will definitely be better than 6.

 

How am I ignoring the facts?

Why would the Raptors bring in our expirings when they could just let Bosh walk and have all that cap space immediately? You really think Jordan Hill plus a draft pick is worth the extra $14 million on the books that Battier/Jeffries willl cost them?

Remember, this is Jerry Colangelo, not Isiah Thomas.

 

He also missed the part about Toronto wanting to dump Hedo on us. Hedo just signed his contract last year. That's more salary than they would get back for the next 4 years.