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CHRON: Bonzi happy to be playing with Rockets, Adelman

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by doublehh03, Oct 8, 2007.

  1. OrangeRowdy95

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    And we lost b/c of TMac's inability to take over Games 6 and 7. I was watching some old tapes of MJ when he was with the Bulls. The guy had this drive in him. Losing wasn't part of his blood. He always found ways to get it done. Despite JVG throwing double and triple teams at him, MJ would still make every shot down the stretch and make the pass when necessary. TMac didn't even take many shots down the stretch of games 6 and 7, and when he did, they were flat-footed, defended 3's or very long 2's.
     
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    Hello everyone, this is my first post, so i will cut to the chase.. MJ is MJ.. there is only one MJ, there will never be another, so why compare him to tmac? in my opinion, comparing MJ to any current basketball player is as different as apples and oranges. "And we lost b/c of TMac's inability to take over Games 6 and 7." I disagree with this as well, the problem is that JVG had little to no offensive game plan, he simply relied on Tmac to create for himself and everybody else (most of the time). If you remember, our offense was so stale, that we frequently had trouble getting the ball inbounds from a throw in. And by the time game 6/7 came around, the opposition clearly knew what we were going to do, thus, we allowed them to shut us down by consistently doing the same thing for 7 games in a row. Additionally, JVG did not use his bench, he had major problems in trusting his players... it also did not help that throughout the season JVG seemed to encourage rafer to shoot the rock. i am excited for this season, and i look forward to being part of this forum!
     
  3. doublehh03

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    mj NEVER had the responsibilites of tmac in terms of playmaking. MJ's role when pippen arrive was simply SCORE.

    but yes, mac's killer instinct is not on his level YET.
     
  4. doublehh03

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    great first post. ur exactly right.
     
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    When there is a change in ruling party in a country's government, what immediately comes out in the media about the previous government? Nothing but overblown and biased accounts of why it sucked. Same principle applies here.

    Sure Les didn't like JVG b/c he didn't play up tempo, but by this logic he would have been fine with Memphis's season; up tempo, reasonably entertaining, but almost always losing. I really don't think that this is a good thing to say of a owner, that he prizes style over substance.
     
  6. Barkley

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    Exactly. I'm suprised that's that's you forst post on this forum. But you're completly right.

    A lot of people don't entertain that Tracy had to do everything on the team, not only in the playoffs. They only saw that series ended 3-4 and and they blame only T-Mac, that's all. For example, Mike Brown doesn't want LeBron to be playmaker. Brown just wants all his players to afford the ball to LeBron. And LeBron has only to score points, that's why has has better stats. The same situation with Kobe.
     
  7. doublehh03

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    i think lebron has nearly as much responsibilities as tracy, but obviously not as much as indicated by the usage rate.

    kobe is just looking to score.
     
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    That LeBron's team was pretty bad even they were in the finals, which is the worst NBA final ever. The Cav-Nets series got to be the worst game played by NBA players so far.

    IMO, If LeBron was assigned a playmaker role as TMAC, Cavs should be a better team.

    Just like the most efficient Yao is under the basket, the most efficient TMAC is still a playmaker.
     
  9. Barkley

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    And that's nothin' strage for me. Jackson just knows what to do. Lakers don't have very good roster. Odom, Brown, Walton, Parker, well Rockets are much better. But look they got the playoffs every year. The first they have great coach. Jackson is just doin' awesome job. Every player on the team knows what he has to do. Just give the Ball to Kobe and shot only when you're open. And I think that realy has realy helped the Lakers to even enter the playoffs
     
  10. MoJoV3

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    Hi everybody,

    My first post also......I just came back from the Toyota Center scrimmage they had today. Yao Ming and Steve Francis coached the white team. Tracy coached the black team. Bonzi, Rafer, and Deke were referees. The highlight of the show was when Tracy announced that the rookies had to sing the national anthem in front of everybody. Why Novak was up there, I have no clue, I guess since he's not in his 3rd year yet. The others included: Mike Harris, Aaron Brooks, Landry, and Scola. Everybody knows Scola didn't know the words.

    I was very shocked how GOOD Lucas looked out there. He's obvoiusly has been working out. One of his highlights was when he threw one down after throwing the ball off the backboard.

    Mike Harris looks good.. I'd be suprised if he didn't make the squad. he's cheaper to let go, but he's also cheap keeper. He matches Snyder athletic wise, and can jump just as high, just as quick.

    I can tell that Steve Francis is going to be our fan favorite this year, along with scola. Everytime Steve touched the ball, the crowd went crazy. Scola had a couple of wide open 15 footers, but missed. You could tell that they were tired and soar.

    Aaron Brooks is still off on his shot, and Snyders' shot can't get any worse. I wonder if he's worked on that at all..?.? It still looks the same.

    Thanks Clutch and staff for allowing me to post....I wont let you down!
     
  11. Aceshigh7

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    None of this is cheap shots at JVG. JVG deserves everything that was said. We wasted too many years of Yao & T-Mac's prime trying to fit JVG's "system" and too many good players were put in his dog house and let go for trivial reasons. Screw JVG
     
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    How dare you sir !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    You are criticizing a player for having an opinion? Magic Johnson got a coach run, Michael Jordan same thing....

    There is NOTHING wrong with going to management when you work as hard as Yao and are the star player and speaking your mind.

    NOTHING !!!

    Imagine how hard it was for someone as mild mannered as Yao to voice his concern....

    Yao knows what is what.........and so does the majority of the board here, it just takes some people longer to recognize what some of us knew all along.

    Shame on you for siding with a coach who was fired for his continual failures over a player who is the hardest working Rocket possibly of all time.

    DD
     
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  13. OrangeRowdy95

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    Yao is entitled to his opinion, as long as it's not a stupid one. What he said was stupid. That's why he should keep his mouth shut, if that article is legit, which I doubt since it's Sina.
     
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    Funny you say that OrangeRowdy95. Wasn't it JVG who stopped a trade for Mike James for Juwan Howard because he wanted to keep team chemistry. Now that's just a rumor that has been floating around but it sounds about right. I don't buy that JVG had no input on our draft or player movements.

    The team he lost with to the Jazz is the one he built except the guys in his dog house which included about a 3rd of the roster. We didn't have a deep team or the most talented roster and that's why we needed Jeff to put his ego aside and try to get something from Snyder, Bonzi, V-span, and Novak. Chances are one of these guys could've really helped us vs the Jazz, but instead Jeff did it his way and for his trouble he got the highway!
     
  15. OrangeRowdy95

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    We didn't make the trade because at the time we were rolling without Yao, and Juwan was really good as a starter. Had we traded Juwan, we had no powerforwards and without Yao, that's a huge problem because we have no inside scoring presence. Had Yao been healthy, then we would have made the trade without even thinking about it. CD is an idiot for not pulling the plug. And he clearly held the team back by not making the JL3 for Linas Kleiza trade. Damn CD for accomplishing nothing as GM. Daryl Morey has already accomplished more than CD ever did.
     
  16. zong

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    It is wasting time to play with an idiot like OrangeRowdy95, I have aready put him in the ignore list.
     
  17. abcdef

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    So when McGrady demanded that Orlando trade him and that his GM was a moron, he should have STFU and "just played the game" also?

    The article is legit. Yao said what he said. Now that JVG is fired, it doesn't matter. Many other superstars have said stuff far worse than what Yao said (McGrady, Kobe, Shaq, even legends like Wilt Chamberlain, Magic Johnson, and Michael Jordan).
     
  18. OrangeRowdy95

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    How am I an idiot? Just because I think TMac's not a championship-caliber player does not make me an idiot. Show me evidence that proves me wrong. Just because I think Yao and TMac aren't leaders doesn't make me an idiot. Show me evidence to think otherwise. Just because I agreed with JVG in playing 7.5 guys in the playoffs last year doesn't make me an idiot. Show me that last championship team that played 9 guys consistently.

    TMac had a right to be pissed at Weisbrod. Weisbrod personally attacked TMac and questioned TMac the person in addition to TMac the player.

    What Yao said wasn't bad at all. I'm just saying what he said was stupid. I already posted on this subject before. Dig up the posts if you want, I've explained myself plenty of times and many on this board agreed with my mathematical logic of minute allocation. Given that we had no backup pg, when you do the math, JVG's rotation was correct in the playoffs.
     
  19. doublehh03

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    why didn't we have a backup PG? why didn't we have a backup 3rd scorer? why did alston had to take a lot of shots when he clearly can't make crap?

    that short rotation was b/c JVG's failure to develop 1-2 other guys to expand the lineup.

    u need AT LEAST 9 true guys in a playoff rotation and most likely that 9th guy wouldn't play much at all. but had vpsan been that 9th guy, and bonzi been that 8th guy, we would have been better off.

    JVG is a great coach and i don't knock him. but he just doesn't have the patience. we went through A LOT last yr and a few times last yr were PERFECT moments to just let loose and have bonzi play like 28-30 mins. but he wouldn't do that.

    tmac was really overworked coming off an injury a yr ago. he got worse in the playoffs and that had NEVER happened before.
     
  20. Icehouse

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    I think Bonzi should keep these kind of things in house. However, I defnately believe he is telling the truth. Offensively, JVG really doesn't seem to have too much coaching ability, so it doesn't surprise me for someone to say that he wouldn't let them use other parts of their game because it didn't fit into the "system". That isn't new news...it's quite obvious from just watching the team. JVG is a quality coach but his downfall is his inability to maximize the talent on his roster (offensively). It's fine to believe in your system but also recognize the talent/skillsets on the roster and maximize them. There is no reason a team with a multidimensional SG and C should have so much trouble scoring...or basically have 3 offensive sets.
     

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