[Chron] Bob McNair: Carr's future remains in limbo

Stop trying to suppress free speech!

Clearly you just think this is "some Orwellian community where you just go along because Big Brother said so".

 

Meowgi's logic on this takes you to a place where these guys are beyond question. Clearly our experience in discussing pro sports here would suggest otherwise.

 

forget it ..it's not worth it. every discussion about the texans goes the same way. it's become worse than the d&d.

 

such as what? pointing out that in addition to carr, other areas of the team struggled, too, if not moreso? how is that "excusing' carr? imo, it's widening the perspective; we all get carr was, mostly, terrible last year. should we continue to drag barbaro out of his grave every few hours, or maybe try and widen our perspective some as a means to discuss items that AREN'T related to david carr?

i would rate the team's priorities like this:
1) the running game
2) the secondary
3) the pass rush
4) pass protection
5) the QB
6) finding a gamebreaker SOMEWHERE on offense

i truly believe if you can upgrade 1-4, 5 becomes even less of an issue because i believe carr is the type of QB who will play up to the level of the team around him.

i do not, however, believe upgrading 5 lessens the importance of 1-4. even if jake plummer (for example) was labeled a certified upgrade, this team is still going to suck w/o significant help with 1 and 4. see below for more...

what good is "turnover" if the turnover doesn't upgrade the team? were lundy/gado/dayne/taylor better than dominick davis? they essentially played the final 8.5 games of the year with 3/5 of last year's terrible line + a street FA who had retired and a rookie project. turnover, sure - but did they actually improve?

they certainly had better receivers and tight ends. at the same time, this denver system is built on an effective running game and they did NOT have that.

keeping him is not necessarily an argument i'm making. if they can upgrade the position w/o having to steal from elsewhere, i'd be all for it.

re; plummer, first and foremost, he's not currently available. if he is, there's no guarantee he'll come here, especially if a team like chicago expresses an interest in him, not to mention his QB coach would be the son of the man who just ran him out of denver. all speculation, of course, but the notion of plummer-to-houston being all but done seems WAY premature.

anyway, as for his cost, no, we don't know what he'll play for, and i can't confirm how much he made this year, but i know it's somewhere in the neighborhood of $7-10M. how much less will he take?

the $10-12M figure i'm throwing out includes the money you're going to have to eat if you trade or release carr; anywhere from $2-4M. so whatever plummer might be willing to sign for, you have to add carr's salary to it as well. and imo, if you have to pay plummer what amounts to more than what you'd have to pay DC, you're better off just keeping DC.

and that's because i'd rather have that money to shore up the areas i consider bigger priorities. carr and... an effective punter, just to throw out a likely reasonably-priced FA need, is a better deal than just plummer if i have to pay plummer more than $8M (with carr's $$).

and honestly, i don't think any of this is unreasonable, and it's certainly not excusing carr. i can understand and appreciate the frustration. but winning cures that. build the best team possible. i think - very much my own conjecture - keeping carr might make that easier IF - VERY big IF - carr can raise his game as the team improves around him. he did it in '04.

 

Oh, whatever! As if you can stay away. Quit pretending to be above it all.

You'll be back and you know it.

 

I would say we are pretty much equally bad in the above areas-
Which is the state of the Texans post Casserly.

Besides Andre Johnson and Demeco Ryans there just isn't much to work with on this team.

Daniels looks like a nice pick up at TE
Spencer showed some promise before he was injured
The other rookie tackle might develop
And the #1 overall pick might be decent once he is healthy for a season

 

No, it's not. Projecting one group's argument onto another group based on one or two weak similarities is a logical fallacy.

 

They are not beyond questioning. I question everything. I just don't see the point of freaking out and holding "get rid of David Carr" rallies. That just makes me want Carr to stay. And I honestly do not think that just getting rid of Carr is a magic cure for the Texans. It's like everyone b****ing about Rafer until we see how good the Rockets are when he gets ejected.

 

I agree! So, why are you b****ing at us?

It probably isn't. But replacing David Carr, in my opinion, will help.

 

Super Mario was decent last year while injured.

 

So is fried ice cream but I still eat it.

 

So you don't mind if you post illogical bull****? Thanks for clearing that up.

 

Fried ice cream is a reality.

 

So is poor logic. So, I see three solutions here:
1) You're just trying to be funny
2) You actually believe having an opinion on Carr is akin to holding rallies wanting him run out of town (which brings your judgment skills into serious question)
3) You're being purposefully belligerent.

 

I must quickly clarify, as the post above came across kinda rude--I don't believe option 2 is what's going on here.

 

Look for the most part I agree with almost everything from above, but as frustrating as it is for you to hear how the entire failure of the team is Carr's fault (when without a doubt almost all blame should be shouldered by Casserly) it is just a frustrating for me to hear you argue with the Carr bashers. This probably has something to do with the fact that you always make good arguments with respect to Carr, but another season of dump off passes to the likes of Dayne or Lundy could make me give up all together. As long as Carr is forced to win the job, instead of gifting it to him, I guess I will be satiated.

With regard to Plummer, I agree it is way premature, and so is throwing around cap figures for him. If all we have to pay is $8 million for the starting QB position, I would rather that money be spent on Plummer. (ie. $4 million on Plummer, $4 million on Carr buyout, as apposed to all $8 million on Carr)

 

Ric I pretty much agree with assesment top to bottom, not giving Carr a pass because he is not going to single handedly lead a team to the playoffs every year but then there have probably been less than 15 QBs ever in the league who could do that and even the ones good enough to do this had much MUCH MUCH better teams around them than our QB has ever had.

We made a commitement to Carr this past offseason when the oppurtunity was perfect to move on, IMO it would be equally as foolish to move on at this point when all you are basicly looking for is a stop gap anyway.

 

Carr might not be the guy but he is better than the Snake IMO

 

i'm curious..how many other people feel this way?

how many others feel like Carr is a better QB than Jake Plummer?