1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

[Chron] Astros' lack of blacks is big blemish

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Behad, Jun 20, 2004.

  1. xiki

    xiki Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2002
    Messages:
    17,851
    Likes Received:
    3,197
    My problem with this issue and the Astros is that I don't believe Lugo was treated fairly or respectfully. He may well have been guilty, in law and/or society, I have no idea. Nor do I believe it is relevant. The organization should have suspended him, at worst, until his situation was through the system.

    The fact that he was unceremoniously cut was a signal that he was guilty in the organization's eyes.

    And I believe Lugo's ethnicity was a big part of it. That is why I don't trust the Astros.

    I root root root for the home team. I love guys who perform on the field, or arena floor, or gridiron -- wherever and whether they are Chinese or Venezuelan or caucasion American is irrelevant. I want them to be ok people and great competitors. Great talent is nice.

    I see no issues with any of the Houston sports franchises -- except in this incident. It smelled racist to me. If it smells once then it can probably smell again.
     
  2. Rocket Fan

    Rocket Fan Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 1999
    Messages:
    4,791
    Likes Received:
    4
    mrpaige.. that's what I figured to be the case...


    It seems that the percentage of african americans in baseball (if you count only the american born players) is still about the same as the percentage of americans who are black overall..

    just like in classes that were random growing up.. there are times when you are going to have a class with no african americans in it.... when you are deailng with a number as low as 10%.. there always a chance that one team will have 4 or 5 players and one hvae none...

    I dont think this is something that is intentional
     
  3. Refman

    Refman Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2002
    Messages:
    13,674
    Likes Received:
    312
    The Astros were exasperated with his subpar performance on the field and the incident was a perfect excuse to cut him loose. I promise that if Jason Lane did the same thing, he'd get shipped out too.
     
  4. Harrisment

    Harrisment Member

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2001
    Messages:
    15,392
    Likes Received:
    2,158
    Please name me one team that would even consider taking on Bagwell's ridiculous contract. He still has years left on that thing. NOBODY in the league would even get near that thing unless the Astros agreed to pay almost all of it.
     
  5. Mr. Mooch

    Mr. Mooch Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2002
    Messages:
    4,663
    Likes Received:
    3
    Are you ****ing kidding me??? He slammed his pregnant wife/girlfriend against a car in full public view.

    And he SUCKED. He had way too many errors and he could barely hit a fly.

    Lugo was and will be worse than Vizcaino, Everett, and probably even Bruntlett. I HATED Lugo as a player; one of the biggest chokers I've ever witnessed.


    In other news, I've notcied a lot of people with Astros caps, at least this past weekend when I was in the DC region. I guess they look nice.
     
  6. Buck Turgidson

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2002
    Messages:
    101,003
    Likes Received:
    103,403
    Was Ken Caminiti's ethnicity a big part of the organization's decision to sever ties with him?
     
  7. xiki

    xiki Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2002
    Messages:
    17,851
    Likes Received:
    3,197
    Check the history and timing of both players.

    Lugo may have stunk. Lugo may have been guilty. Lugo was gone, and quick. Too quick, and handled poorly IMO. And IMO it was issues other than on field and at home.
     
  8. mateo

    mateo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2001
    Messages:
    5,968
    Likes Received:
    292
    How long after Piakowski is drafted in the expansion draft before people start complaining that Les Alexander is racist bc his basketball team only has 2 white guys left?
     
  9. Puedlfor

    Puedlfor Member

    Joined:
    May 30, 2000
    Messages:
    5,973
    Likes Received:
    21
    He was losing his spot on the field, and then he bashed his wife around in the parking lot - your opinion is wrong.
     
  10. mrpaige

    mrpaige Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2000
    Messages:
    8,831
    Likes Received:
    15
    Probably became fans when they thought the Astros were on their way to Northern Virginia. :)
     
  11. Buck Turgidson

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2002
    Messages:
    101,003
    Likes Received:
    103,403
    So if it was issues other than those on or off (what I'm assuming you mean by "at home") the field, why was he released?
     
  12. arkoe

    arkoe (ง'̀-'́)ง

    Joined:
    Dec 13, 2001
    Messages:
    10,387
    Likes Received:
    1,598
    Lugo had been sucking it up on the field for some time, they were looking for a reason to let him go for that, not because of his race. He did himself in.
     
  13. Uprising

    Uprising Member

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2000
    Messages:
    43,076
    Likes Received:
    6,603
    Man, this is rediculous!

    Seriously, his contract and crappy play is what got Hidalgo off the team. I am sure, if they find a talented guy that plays a position they need filled then no matter what his race is he would be picked up.
     
  14. MadMax

    MadMax Member

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 1999
    Messages:
    76,683
    Likes Received:
    25,924
    What I dislike about this issue:

    1. it assumes the absolute worst about hunsicker and/or mclane. seriously, big money sports owners, in 2004, are concerned about one color: green. among the most marketable players in the game are black players...if mclane could broaden his fan base, i think he would;

    2. it ignores the fact that black guys aren't playing baseball at the younger levels right now. hunsicker was on the other day and said, "hey, we'd love to have more black guys on the team...show me where they are!" anyone else watching the college world series...it's like a day at the Gap there. stark white.

    3. it ignores the fact that there aren't a ton of teams in MLB with a big black representation.
     
  15. macho GRANDE

    macho GRANDE Elvis, was a hero to most but................

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2002
    Messages:
    1,997
    Likes Received:
    554
    Once again, where are the Latinos?
     
  16. MadMax

    MadMax Member

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 1999
    Messages:
    76,683
    Likes Received:
    25,924
    i don't know...they were the first to have an academy in Venezuela. they have vizcaino...dotel...just traded hidalgo.

    again...i don't think this has anything to do with race.

    by the way...who in their right mind would rather have Lugo playing than Everett? if you just raised your hand, please put your crack pipe down. thanks.
     
  17. codell

    codell Member

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2002
    Messages:
    19,312
    Likes Received:
    715
    At Drayton McLain's office, Carl enters

    DRAYTON: May I help you?

    CARL: I'm the exterminator.

    DRAYTON: Oh, yes of course, come in.

    CARL: Why didn't you want me to bring my equipment or wear my uniform?

    DRAYTON: Yes, well, if the other people in the office saw that I called an exterminator, they would just panic. Besides, this is sort of a friendly visit. Carl, right?

    CARL: Do I know you?

    DRAYTON: Yeah, sure, we met at Jerry Hunsicker's apartment. When you fumigated for fleas over there.

    CARL: Hunsicker... Oh yeah, funny white guy, right?

    DRAYTON: Jerry? Yes, I suppose he is white. You know, I never really thought about it. I don't see people in terms of color. You know, there's someone I'd like you to meet. Hand on... (To phone) Is Richard Justice in?

    PHONE: Mr. Justice left for dinner.

    DRAYTON: He left... huh... Carl, you hungry?


    later on...........

    DRAYTON: (To Carl) Oh, by the way, order anything you want, it's all on me. Just do me a tiny favor: pretend we're old friends. Oh my God! Richard Justice! What a coincidence, it's Richard Justice. Richard, I want you to meet a dear old friend of mine, Carl.

    CARL: I'm the exterminator. (Justice confused)

    DRAYTON: That's... what we used to call hiDm in high school, the exterminator. He's a linebacker. Oh, did we have some wild times.
     
  18. MadMax

    MadMax Member

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 1999
    Messages:
    76,683
    Likes Received:
    25,924
    genuis, codell!!! :D
     
  19. kevwun

    kevwun Member

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2003
    Messages:
    274
    Likes Received:
    0
    Justice is on one hell of a role. It's pretty clear that the Chronicle doesn't have random drug testing.
     
  20. rezdawg

    rezdawg Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2000
    Messages:
    18,351
    Likes Received:
    1,149
    Just a note about the Lugo issue...

    His wife said publicly that the "Beating" incident never occurred. Could she have been saying that to get him off? Sure. The point is that nobody knows what happened.

    Also, Lugo is having a fine year.
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now