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[CHRON]Adelman reassures struggling Martin

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by RocketMadness, Feb 22, 2010.

  1. MrAwe

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    I hear a boner
     
  2. jevon3012

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    After seeing Martin get schooled by PEJA STOJAKOVIC all over the court, I have doubt on whether him and Brooks can play on the court at the same time. I think we might have to move Lowry into the starting lineup and let Brooks be that spark off the bench.
     
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    Someone called?

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  4. kaleidosky

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    Peja went 5-16, 1-7 from 3, 3-3 from the line for 14 pts..2 asts

    unless he was 5-5 with Kevin Martin on him and 0-11 otherwise, I don't know how that's a "schooling"
     
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    Owned, LOL
     
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    I think the guy is a TOF who re-registered under a new name. He's all over McGrady's jock in the McGrady thread in the Dish.
     
  7. sammy

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    Dude needs to gtfo.
     
  8. Hball

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    Martin FG%

    05/06- 48%
    06/07- 47%
    07/08- 45%
    08/09- 42%

    Landry may have dropped but he's 2nd in the league in 4 quarter points.

    And I would rather them not even trade for Jeffries and the rest of those scrubs, instead just play T-mac and keep Landry ;)

    The only reason we were put in this position was to appease Adelman the ruler :(

    And while you may have been joking about the pre-developmental minutes, that will be the case considering the pick's are in the next 3 draft's.
     
  9. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    You need to get the right stats. You're just proving that you don't know what you're talking about.

    FG% is a stat owned by Centers and forwards. A SG with that kind of percentage is a good thing.

    unless you want Kendrick Perkins to be our Shooting guard.

    TOS is the only fair stat to judge guards.
     
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    that stuck out ot me as well. Maybe there is something going on between the two?? :grin: ;)
     
  11. uolj

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    I expect Martin to struggle for most of the rest of the year, with a few really good games interspersed amongst mostly bad or mediocre ones. But then I expect him to all of a sudden start playing really well, either at the end of this season or near the start of next season and get back to the efficient scorer he has been.

    His slump now reminds me of his rookie year, when he looked horrible. But then the next year he was able to come in to replace an injured starter and he was all of a sudden a 20 point scorer. Especially since he has the same coach now as he did then, I don't see any reason there won't be the same result.

    Don't expect him to be a savior or carry any team to the playoffs, but lots of points and great efficiency is just around the corner.
     
  12. Carl Herrera

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    FG% is irrelevant... in fact, during 05/06 to 07/08, while Martin's FG% declined, his TS%, which accounts for 3s and FTs and is a better measure of efficiency, increased. The reason is that any drop in FG% was offset by increased FT attempts (per shot attempt) and increased freqency and accuracy of 3 pt shooting. In fact, his 05/06 efficiency and 08/09 were essentially identical despite the difference in FG%.

    The drop if FG% was also partly due to increased freqency of 3pt shooting.

    FG% comparison between 2 players or 2 years is only a good reflection of efficiency if you assume everything else to be the same-- frequency and % of FTs and 3 pt attemp. In the case of Kevin Martin, these numbers were not the same between the years.

    As far as McGrady/Adelman, well, I agree that Adelman is relevant to the departure of McGrady, but McGrady also made his own bed by alienating Yao Ming and even Les Alexander, who obviously liked him very much as a player. In the end, it's time for him to go.

    About those picks, the new picks won't come until 2011 and 2012. Why don't we wait and see (1) whether these picks get traded first before we even use them, and (2) what position these picks are (remember, it's not certain that the Knicks will suck) and (3) whether these picks are worth devoting minutes to develop. Lots of factors out there, and if you really turn out to need those minutes and must make a trade, you can alway do it at that time For example, Alston got traded when partly to make room for AB when he proved to the team he's worth a starting spot. It would be silly, on the other hand, to have made room for AB a couple of seasons before we even draft him.
     
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    I seem to recall Adelman saying that the team before the trade was all he thought was needed for this season. That being said I don't know why you're all up in arms about the two games after the trade in which the team-- which we could expect of any team who just traded away a valuable piece-- has played sub par. This is an adjustment period that is much needed.
     
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    The Rockets are more concerned with winning than both the Kings and the Knicks. Yes, their recent pickups are able to start for them right away but that's partially because it doesn't matter to them whether they win or not - they just want to see what they have. The Rockets are still in the playoff hunt, and while I'm sure they're excited to play their new talent, they don't want to do anything that they wouldn't have done to win a game before they made the trade - just yet. He's easing them into the rotation because this rotation put us in a significantly better place than both New York's and Sacramento's.
     
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    I could have written this article.

    Uhm.

    Duhhhhh.
     
  16. RedDragon01

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    This.

    And it's also how RA is able to 'let the players play' without having to micro manage every play.

    Every coach has control over how his team plays one way or another. Some coaches prefer to call every play. Adelman likes to know that his players are going to make the right decisions in the game before he puts them on the floor. He can also leave a player on the floor if he makes a mistake, because he has the faith in his players to make the right decision the next time.

    That wouldn't be possible if a guy he puts on the floor isn't given all of the information he needs to make the decision that the coach wants him to make. IE, players must practice before being put on the floor.

    How does this aspect of his coaching decisions make him a bad coach?
     
  17. NotInMyHouse

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    You just ignored his whole argument about True Shooting Percentage (that's what the TS% in his post refers to). Should I be surprised or just wait for you to say TS% means zilch since it does not further your argument?
     
  18. jzmagic

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    TS is also heavily weighted towards getting to the freethrow line. Chances are, Martin's going to see far less attempts at the freethrow line now that he's a rocket, call it a hunch. , meaning his TS is going to decrease this year.

    To see how well he truly scores from the field, a more accurate stat is efg%

    Kmart's efg has gone down every year so far since his rookie year

    .540
    .533
    .515
    .491
    .443 (Current season)

    His kings efg was phenomenal and anything iabove .490+ is still pretty good, but you cant deny that his scoring from the field efficiency has gone down.
     
  19. roslolian

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    Ehh...from my personal experience I'm afraid using logic and trying to make posters like these "see the light" so to speak is useless. They will either ignore you, reply to a different part of your post and take it out of context or shut up then create another post a few days later saying the same thing again.

    If he still didn't get it by 2nd post I don't think he's ever gonna get it.
     
  20. t_mac1

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    didn't he say the same thing with trevor ariza earlier in the year?

    hopefully martin with have better results since he's a much better offensive player.
     

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