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Chron: Abdul-Jabbar says Yao sky hook away from great

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by pcheung, May 10, 2004.

  1. meh

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    That's mainly because it's difficult to teach people who don't have the talent that stars do.

    However, we're not talking about general coaching here. We're talking about Kareem teaching Yao a post move. A move that he made unstoppable, and one that he thinks Yao obviously has the talent to learn.

    Honestly, if Yao can actually learn the sky hook this offseason, it might honestly be worth a lottery pick in terms of benefiting our team.
     
  2. SamFisher

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    A final word of advice friend, as one with experience in such matters in both a personal and professional capacity, false or dubious declarations of racism are counterproductive in that they tend to desensitize people to legitimate instances thereof...Adios, chico....
     
  3. GladiatoRowdy

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    Not gonna happen. Jabbar has been hired by Isaiah Thomas, he is a Knicks coach now.

    (See, not everything you learn on the Daily Show is useless)
     
  4. RikQuik

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    I'd take Walton or Russell as a coach first. These other guys may have put together some great offensive numbers, but Walton dominated Jabbar as Russell dominated Chamberlin.

    There are lots of big men out there who's egos are getting brusied because they feel they are being forgotten. And what better way to bring back your own glory than to say you want to help the future MVP of the NBA, and teach him the thing that made you famous?

    It is a PR thing for these guys. The ones who really want to coach tell it to the team, not the press. Typical Jabbar.

    Reckon you'd never guess that I pulled for the Celts during Jabbar's time, huh?
     
  5. Rocket River

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    Walton DOMINATED Jabbar?

    Rocket River
     
  6. gotoloveit2

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    I know it's been a long hard day acting on your paranoia and defending SF's honor, but let me let you in on a llittle secret: I don't hate SF.
    I will come out and say it: SF is still the best player on the Rockets. I would choose him over Yao or anybody else on the team.
    That being said, SF is far from perfect, still makes a lot of mistakes, and has a looong way to go before he becomes a franchise player again.

    Calm down, I don't hate SF, save your rage and energy for Yetti or something.

    Very subtle indeed.
     
  7. SamFisher

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    You know, if I were to react in the way you did/would, I would respond along the lines of "So have you always hated African-Americans or was it after Yao got drafted by the Rockets and Steve Francis that you started disliking them?"

    See how stupid things like that look?

    Enough, I need to practice what I preach and stop responding. G'day.
     
  8. Yonkers

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    Cato guarding Shaq had nothing to do with Cato being a better defender. It had to do with the fact that we don't need him to score and can more afford him to get the fouls that will obviously come with guarding Shaq. It would be smarter to have Shaq score 25 points against Cato and have Cato with 0 points and 5 fouls, but have Yao offset that with 25 points of his own and 3-4 fouls. Instead you would rather have Yao cover Shaq and score 10-15 points and have 5-6 fouls and Cato still with only 0 points.
     
  9. SamFisher

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    I agree 110% with this. It is probably better at this stage to have Cato do most of the Shaq-guarding. I never said it wasn't.
     
  10. Mr. Clutch

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    Did you guys see that game where Cato started off on Shaq? I think Shaq had about 14 points in the first quarter. It was a joke. Ideally, it would be better to keep Yao off Shaq, but it just wasn't possible.
     
  11. montevideo

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    Who was Jabbar's tutor? Ewings? Hakeem's? Shaqs? Malone's?

    Yao doesn't need a tutor. And it's not on the coaches either.

    The only one stopping Yao from acheiving is Yao himself. Everytime he receives or rebounds he's gotta think score.

    Everytime Yao gets the ball or gets a rebound - all he has to do is put it in the hole! At 7'6" he can almost reach up and stuff it without jumping - his legs are like tree trunks and he weighs over 300lbs, only Shaq should be able to move him out of position.

    The best thing the Rox could do would be to send Yao to a Anthony Robbins seminar!!

    He needs to awaken his INNER GIANT.
     
  12. pasox2

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    I disagree. Kareem and Walton had John Wooden. Ewing had John Thompson. Hakeem had Guy Lewis and Mo Malone in the summer. Shaq and Malone are the relatively untutored physical anomalies from your list, and they sought out summer skill improvement opportunities.

    I understand your point, and Yao ultimately bears the responsibility for achievement. That's no reason NOT to invest in maximizing his talents. It would be foolish to fail to provide the benefits of good tutoring.
     
  13. moomoo

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    Sky hook?

    Sure, that might help some, but this offseason if Yao can get hold of a prop wash or a rotary girder, then I'm telling you greatness is all but guaranteed.
     
  14. montevideo

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    I agree that tutoring is important - I failed to mention that in my reply - but I stand by my assertion - that for Yao - an improvement in his tutoring won't make as much difference as an improvement in his determination to take the punishment which will inevitably come - and put the ball in the hole.

    I see the greatest challenge for Yao at this time not as a skills challenge - but as a determination challenge. I think he has the skills and the supporting cast to do the job - but lacks the determination and resolve to put it all together.

    That's why I think bringin in Anthony Robbins may be a better investment than Kareem Abdul-Jabaar - ;)
     
  15. Rocket River

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    SHOULD is the word

    Everyone pushes him

    rocket River
     
  16. yipengzhao

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    Sammy-whammy... don't try act like the voice of reason that you're not. All you do all day, to the tune of 25 posts a day, is pointing out what Yao is not, and criticizing him for it. That's what you want though, to draw attention to your posts, and I understand that. Hopefully one day you will find something better to do. I'm sincere in that wish.
     
  17. SamFisher

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    Somebody's shell-shocked from defending fortress Yao from us barbarians............


    http://bbs.clutchcity.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=77127


    Gosh, the reason why I'm here is to be a Rocket fan, not to obsess over one player constantly; if you think all of my posts here are assaulting Yao, 1. you haven't visited the other forums (possible); 2. you haven't visited many of the non-Yao threads

    To wit: here's a list of the threads I've started in the past year:




    Poll: OK who's your first choice for new coach? ( 1 2 3 ) SamFisher 73 663 05-24-2003 02:17 AM


    So if Rudy moves on from Houston, then what for him? SamFisher 5 92 05-23-2003 07:26 PM


    Can't we just have Rudy replace C.Dawson as GM? SamFisher 13 198 05-24-2003 08:39 PM


    Brown to the Clippers? SamFisher 9 446 05-27-2003 04:16 PM


    delete SamFisher 1 140 05-29-2003 02:06 AM


    The official I am so damn sick of waiting for a new coach thread SamFisher 14 283 06-07-2003 05:11 AM


    Does houston's D really need that much help? SamFisher 28 414 06-10-2003 01:44 AM


    So is JVG actually in H-town yet? SamFisher 5 513 06-20-2003 09:27 AM


    ESPN.com 20 questions/Rockets SamFisher 8 1056 09-30-2003 01:08 PM


    Chron: what to really expect out of the new offense SamFisher 24 1125 10-08-2003 02:11 PM


    Chron: Rox react to Griffin's meltdown SamFisher 27 1315 10-27-2003 02:58 PM


    Jim Jackson ( 1 2 ) SamFisher 47 1524 11-06-2003 01:22 PM


    Do the Rockets have the Suns number? SamFisher 12 619 11-15-2003 04:29 PM


    Yao's matchups, WTH? ( 1 2 ) SamFisher 40 1377 12-14-2003 06:59 PM


    Whither Nachbar? ( 1 2 ) SamFisher 31 874 12-23-2003 01:52 PM


    Are the Grizzlies Hateworthy? ( 1 2 ) SamFisher 43 822 01-20-2004 04:11 PM


    Francis Defense ( 1 2 )



    I count one thread about Yao, which I admit is critical (it was after he got stoned by Rasho Nesterovic, I believe) ....if that is what makes one a Yao hater, then I guess I am guilty. I also said he should have been first team all-NBA in another thread (before his production fell offf towards the end of the year).

    However, what is more likely than me being a Yao hater is that you are hypersensitive to criticism about him. That is fine, and is your right, but come on.

    It bothers me when any Rocket is subject to unfair criticism. I don't particularly like Steve Francis as a person or a player any more than I like or dislike Yao, or freaking Clarence Witherspoon for that matter. They play for the Houston Rockets; as long as they do I will support them regardless, and defend them when it is fair and observe their faults when necessary.

    Is it Yao-Hating to observe that Cato has an easier time getting to the basket off of a pick and Roll than Yao? Not by my definition. It's not Steve-hating to admit that he can't run a damn fast break either, but to be able to admit one side and not the other is what I have a problem with.

    This is a flaw that I frequently see in YOFs (I know, you hate the term, but the fact of the matter is that there are people here who are fans of Yao first and the Rockets second) and it is something I definitely do not like.

    I'm not sure that any of this is going to do any good as you seem to be committed to a melodramatic confrontation of good vs. evil; you vs. Yao haters,

    http://bbs.clutchcity.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=77127

    though I will at least give you credit for not being as absurd as some are about it.

    I'm just here because I like the Rockets; I don't want to blame or harass or harangue our players. Everything on this board always takes a turn for the negative and ends up with the apportionment of blame; I don't watch sports because of that, I watch it because it's fun and escapist. It's a lot more fun than work or worrying about torture at Abu Ghraib. There's enough blame to go around in real life.
     
  18. daoshi

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    I know Jabbar was a great player, but does anyone know why he has never even landed an assistant coach job in NBA? It's not like he is not interested, he's been lobbying for it like crazy, but no one wants to have anything to do with him!:confused: Great player doesn't always turns out to be a great coach!

    BTW, I saw some video shots for Chinese NT practice, Donne Nelson was coaching instead of Del Harris?:confused: :confused: Anyone know what the heck is going on?
     
  19. thegary

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    i think kareem smokes to much weed :eek:
     
  20. DaDakota

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    He would be great for Yao, they are both intelligent athletic players.

    Ewing...well...he is tall.

    DD
     

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