1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Christmas in Cambodia

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Aug 8, 2004.

  1. rimrocker

    rimrocker Member

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 1999
    Messages:
    23,140
    Likes Received:
    10,208
    By the way, here's a repeat of the last two paragraphs of Rassman's piece...

    Does this strategy of attacking combat Vietnam veterans sound familiar? In 2000, a similar Republican smear campaign was launched against Sen. McCain. In fact, the very same communications group, Spaeth Communications, that placed ads against John McCain in 2000 is involved in these vicious attacks against John Kerry. Texas Republican donors with close ties to George W. Bush and Karl Rove crafted this "dishonest and dishonorable" ad. Their new charges are false; their stories are fabricated, made up by people who did not serve with Kerry in Vietnam. They insult and defame all of us who served in Vietnam.

    But when the noise and fog of their distortions and lies have cleared, a man who volunteered to serve his country, a man who showed up for duty when his country called, a man to whom the United States Navy awarded a Silver Star, a Bronze Star and three Purple Hearts, will stand tall and proud. Ultimately, the American people will judge these Swift Boat Veterans for Bush and their accusations. Americans are tired of smear campaigns against those who volunteered to wear the uniform. Swift Boat Veterans for Bush should hang their heads in shame.
     
  2. FranchiseBlade

    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2002
    Messages:
    51,813
    Likes Received:
    20,472
    Are you referring the Kerry campaign responses as listed in the article that you posted above? That isn't an admission that Kerry was never in Cambodia.
     
  3. GladiatoRowdy

    GladiatoRowdy Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2002
    Messages:
    16,596
    Likes Received:
    496
    Very well said.
     
  4. rimrocker

    rimrocker Member

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 1999
    Messages:
    23,140
    Likes Received:
    10,208
    You mean like saying he was on the Varsity Rugby Team when there is no such thing... only Intramurals?

    "I played for a year, and it was the varsity."

    [​IMG]

    Not only saying he played on the Varsity, but also delivering an illegal punch to the face while making illegal contact on a high tackle and leaving his feet, yet another no-no in rugby.

    I guess cheerleaders always want to play on the varsity... amazing how it comes down to character isn't it?
     
  5. basso

    basso Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    33,415
    Likes Received:
    9,323
    from ABC's The Note, who, btw say the 2004 race is "Kerry's to Lose" comes this:

    http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/TheNote/TheNote.html

    Let's face it: there is something squirrelly and unsettling and not quite right about the way Michael Meehan answers the media's Vietnam-era questions — something that makes nearly every member of the Gang of 500 think there is still something there.
     
  6. basso

    basso Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    33,415
    Likes Received:
    9,323
    i can't find a link, although i saw it on brit hume's show last night. i think this is the quote, copied from a random right-wing blog.


    --
    But today, on Fox News' "Fox and Friends," Kerry Campaign Advisor Jeh Johnson had this to say to the show's co-host Brian Kilmeade:

    JOHNSON: John Kerry has said on the record that he had a mistaken recollection earlier. He talked about a combat situation on Christmas Eve 1968 which at one point he said occurred in Cambodia. He has since corrected the recorded to say it was some place on a river near Cambodia and he is certain that at some point subsequent to that he was in Cambodia. My understanding is that he is not certain about that date.
     
  7. rimrocker

    rimrocker Member

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 1999
    Messages:
    23,140
    Likes Received:
    10,208
    That is not this...

    In fact, this...

    He has since corrected the recorded to say it was some place on a river near Cambodia and he is certain that at some point subsequent to that he was in Cambodia.

    is certainly not this...

    Pathetic smears. Bush is hurling everything possible because he has a one month advantage where he can spend a bunch of money and Kerry can't. Pure bush league stuff here.
     
  8. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 1999
    Messages:
    48,984
    Likes Received:
    1,445
    If Kerry's lying about Cambodia, Bush was lying about the reasons to go to war with Iraq.
     
  9. basso

    basso Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    33,415
    Likes Received:
    9,323
    with all due respect to the pathetic smearing ability of the bush campaign, the "roll back" characterization is my own. to the best of knowledge, noone in the campaign has mentioned cambodia, or vietnam for that matter.

    as to the question of whether a roll back has occurred, i leave that up to you. if kerry is still claiming he was in cambodia "at some point" why will noone else on any of the swift boats, including kerry's own, corroborate that claim?
     
  10. rimrocker

    rimrocker Member

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 1999
    Messages:
    23,140
    Likes Received:
    10,208
    Here's what Drudge says...

    At least three of the five crewmen on Kerry’s boat, Bill Zaldonis, Steven Hatch, and Steve Gardner, deny that they or their boat were ever in Cambodia.

    If you take Drudge at his word, three of five deny they were in Cambodia. It says nothing about the other two. Do they say yes? We don't know, so blanket statements like "noone else" are irresponsible.
     
  11. rimrocker

    rimrocker Member

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 1999
    Messages:
    23,140
    Likes Received:
    10,208
    Furthermore, if you Google Bill Zaldonis, you get nothing but the exact sentence from Drudge. No statement, no verification, no nothing. I tried searching under the other two names, but they are too common to be worth the time.

    If you have any source beyond Drudge or a copy of Drudge that says what he does with specifics, please post.
     
  12. basso

    basso Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    33,415
    Likes Received:
    9,323
    since i don't read drudge, i don't know, but if three of five say they weren't there, and one of the remaining two is dead, that really just leaves one other guy to confirm his story, doesn't it? also, it's worth noting that the three who say they weren't in cambodia are logically part of the crew that backed him up onstage at the DNC, no?

    and btw, you're really cute when you

    Call me irresponsible - call me unreliable
    Throw in undependable too
    Do my foolish alibis bore you
    Well I’m not too clever - I just adore you
     
  13. basso

    basso Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    33,415
    Likes Received:
    9,323
    another story from the telegraph, with at least Kerry's biographer, if not kerry meme-uh, changing his story:

    http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/08/13/wus13.xml

    --
    Kerry's confusion over Cambodia
    By David Rennie in Washington
    (Filed: 13/08/2004)

    The biographer of John Kerry, the Democratic presidential candidate, said yesterday there was no basis for one of the senator's favourite Vietnam War anecdotes - that he spent Christmas 1968 in Cambodia, a neutral nation which US leaders vowed was off limits for American forces.

    "On Christmas Eve he was near Cambodia; he was around 50 miles from the Cambodian border. There's no indictment of Kerry to be made, but he was mistaken about Christmas in Cambodia," said Douglas Brinkley, who has unique access to the candidate's wartime journals.

    But Mr Brinkley rejected accusations that the senator had never been to Cambodia, insisting he was telling the truth about running undisclosed "black" missions there at the height of the war.

    He said: "Kerry went into Cambodian waters three or four times in January and February 1969 on clandestine missions. He had a run dropping off US Navy Seals, Green Berets and CIA guys." The missions were not armed attacks on Cambodia, said Mr Brinkley, who did not include the clandestine missions in his wartime biography of Mr Kerry, Tour of Duty.

    "He was a ferry master, a drop-off guy, but it was dangerous as hell. Kerry carries a hat he was given by one CIA operative. In a part of his journals which I didn't use he writes about discussions with CIA guys he was dropping off."

    A group of anti-Kerry Vietnam veterans have accused him of lying when he said he was in Cambodia. The group, "Swiftboat Veterans for Truth", is officially independent, but has received much of its financial backing from a wealthy Texan Republican.

    Group members have contributed to an anti-Kerry book published this week, Unfit for Command, which states: "All the living commanders in Kerry's chain of command . . . indicate that Kerry would have been seriously disciplined or court-martialled had he gone" to Cambodia.
     
  14. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 1999
    Messages:
    48,984
    Likes Received:
    1,445
    Wow, he was waaaaaaaaay off.
     
  15. basso

    basso Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    33,415
    Likes Received:
    9,323
    So brinkley now says Kerry was near cambodia, about 50 miles away. in country that's only about 100 miles deep, that sounds much more like "smack dab in the middle of vietnam" than "5 miles inside cambodia", where for 25 years kerry has been claiming he was on christmas eve 1968 (the memory of which was seared -- seared -- into his mind). well, i suppose one easy way to research this would be to just check the after action reports on kerry's website , since he's release all his military records as he promised earlier this year. Oops! January is missing, on;y Gebruary and March are there. You'd think that big media would be all over this sort of contradiction and non-disclosure. almost make you think they want kerry to win or something.
     
  16. gwayneco

    gwayneco Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2000
    Messages:
    3,459
    Likes Received:
    36
    What - they have nothing to do with one another. Just accept that your boy lied.
     
  17. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 1999
    Messages:
    48,984
    Likes Received:
    1,445
    I believe they were both mistaken, not lying.
     
  18. NJRockFan

    NJRockFan Member

    Joined:
    Aug 2, 2001
    Messages:
    751
    Likes Received:
    54
    He may have voted but he also kept switching his position on many issues. Somebody has been paying him to vote the way he does.....this guy reeks of special interest groups.
     
  19. RocketMan Tex

    RocketMan Tex Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 1999
    Messages:
    18,452
    Likes Received:
    119
    Dick Cheney reeks of Halliburton. All politicians are owned by somebody.

    What's your point?
     
  20. NJRockFan

    NJRockFan Member

    Joined:
    Aug 2, 2001
    Messages:
    751
    Likes Received:
    54
    point is....his voting record isn't a strength
     

Share This Page