Not everyone on the outside of an issue is a victim of hate. I don't want six year-olds driving but I don't hate them. Hate is being used too casually.
The Law of Nature will always descriminate against homosexuals. Procreation in the natural world by homosexuals is against the law. The marriage of genetic dna between two homosexual animals of any species is against the Laws of Nature. What does that mean? Evolution is discriminatory? God is discriminatory? The laws of physics and nature are discriminatory? Can we argue that or change that? Can we alter these laws through science? Can we debate it and put it to a democratic vote?
Fair enough. These conversations usually give me heartburn. However, with the little portion I've bolded... what I don't understand is how gays could "force their views on society, a demand it change to suit them." That was sort of the point of saying that homosexual relationships don't affect other people or individuals at all. Maybe it's just a semantic misstatement or something, because I hear you saying "let bygones be bygones" for the rest of post. Otherwise I'm still not sure what these "imposed views" and "societal changes" could possibly be, even theoretically. Meh. I'm not losing any sleep over it.
Many of the justifications I see against gay marriage are similar to the ones for segregation, women's suffrage, slavery, and religious discrimination. Eventually gay marriage will be legal and everyone arguing against it will have no recollection that they were against 30 years from now. I never meet any "racist" senior citizens, even though about 50 percent of them were racist during the civil rights movement.
No, there are plenty of examples of homosexuality in nature, and they sometimes even adopt and raise young. It is true that they don't procreate, but obviously that isn't a problem for nature, and homosexual offspring are born to heterosexual unions in humans and elsewhere in nature. The homosexual animals aren't excluded or treated differently. Homosexual humans are. Your idea of the laws or nature, are apparently not nature's ideas about the laws of nature.
Nature has no "law." Law is strictly a human concept, and it's only "nature" to the extent that we consider abstract human reasoning as "natural." As has been said a million times before, if we're concerned with "nature" then our hierarchy is completely unnatural. The wealthiest men in this nation couldn't touch me in a fight. If we were truly abiding by the "laws of nature," then it would be perfectly legal for me to kill for resources that would increase my chances of producing healthy offspring.
Yes, there is homosexual behavior in many animal species and, yes, they sometimes even adopt and raise young. Yes, it is true they don't procreate. My idea of the laws of nature are not nature's ideas about the laws of nature? What is this? How so? You reaffirmed my entire post and agreed upon the laws of nature that were stated therein. Where is the disagreement? You agreed that nature is discriminatory and that homosexual animal species can't procreate unless through a heterosexual union.
So you are not answering the question then? Let me ask you this then do you think there is any other purpose to sex than just procreation?
Christianity is about forgiveness; it is a New Covenant in contrast to the Old Covenant of Law. The essential message of Christianity is that Christ was "God with Us" and He took on the penalty of our sins, the sins of the whole world. Therefore, there is only Love, Grace, and Forgiveness to those who receive and embrace this good news. Comparing sins is not productive. Come to Grace and be set free.
Purpose= The reason for which something is done or created or for which something exists. Would the mere definition make the purpose different for atheists as opposed to those who believe in God? Why does sex exist? Why was it created? Why do the birds have sex? Why is it done by the bees? Do they do it for pleasure? Why do humans have sex? What is the purpose? What is the reason for which it is done? There are many reasons in our minds (to show love, to feel pleasure and, for some, to feel domination, to punish, etc.) What is result of heterosexual sex in the natural world? babies/propagation of species. Is pleasure a part of heterosexual sex? Sometimes. Is pleasure a part of homosexual sex? Sometimes. What is the result of homosexual sex amongst species? Not babies. Does the law of nature discriminate between heterosexual sex and homosexual sex? Yes.
You still shows that have poor knowledge of either Islam and Christianity. Jesus (peace be up on him) talked about murder in the BIBLE. Luke 19:17 ''But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'" 1- In Matthew 10:34 Jesus said "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but A SWORD " 2- Jesus told his disciples to sell their outer garments and buy SWORDS !! " He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one." (Luke 22:36)
IzakDavid13 you're just pretending to have knowledge and hidding your ignorance behind 2 or 3 scientific word. You speak on subjects that you have no knowledge on.
Context is key for most of what Jesus says in the Bible. I've never done an in-depth study of the Qur'an so I can't comment on most of those verses.
