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Christian Terrorist(s) kill Doctor

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by insane man, May 31, 2009.

  1. giddyup

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    What if your side is wrong about the "people" part? Are you willing to be that reckless?
     
  2. GladiatoRowdy

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    It doesn't matter. That is what I (and many others on my "side") believe and you have no right to force YOUR personal beliefs or morality on anyone else.
     
  3. giddyup

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    Do you not see that you are forcing your beliefs on me through the law? Stop with this charade that only the pro-Life side is "forcing beliefs." Since when does being wrong not matter?
     
  4. GladiatoRowdy

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    I am not doing anything to force my beliefs on anyone else. I will NEVER force someone to have an abortion and would fully support the public flogging of anyone who DID force a woman to have an abortion. Supporting the right to choice does not equal me forcing my beliefs on someone else. Fighting to remove that choice based on your personal morality is the very definition of forcing your beliefs on someone.

    Since this is a case of my beliefs versus your beliefs, there is no right and no wrong here. There are competing morals and values that we are both entitled to. I don't believe that you are wrong for thinking that an embryo is "life" and you don't have the right to declare my beliefs wrong, either.
     
  5. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

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    who is forcing you to have an abortion? :confused:
     
  6. MadMax

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    YOU ALRIGHT!!!!

    I learned it by watching you.
     
  7. giddyup

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    Our laws force beliefs on ourselves all the time. Why is the life and death issue of abortion so different?

    How about a law that gives us all the right to kill any redhead. That's about as arbitrary as a fetus. If you lived in a land that allowed anyone who wanted to kill redheads, would you feel complicit?
     
  8. giddyup

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    No one. You don't feel responsible for the laws of the land?
     
  9. GladiatoRowdy

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    It isn't "life and death" to me since I do not believe that a clump of cells in a uterus is a "life." You have no right to force your belief on me or the hundred plus million Americans who see it the way I do.

    It isn't as "arbitrary as a fetus," you are talking about killing a person who has been born. EVERYONE agrees that murdering a person who has been born is wrong. Not everyone believes that aborting a fetus is wrong and you have no right to force your beliefs on people who believe differently than you.
     
  10. GladiatoRowdy

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    I don't feel responsible for the choices that other people make, but I do feel responsible for the laws of the land, which is the reason I will defend a woman's right to choose against people like you who would take away that choice if they could. I am responsible for seeing that this country never returns to the dark days before Roe and I take that responsibility seriously. I would prefer to work with people like you to reduce unplanned pregnancies, but it seems that people like you aren't interested in having an actual impact.
     
  11. giddyup

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    There you go again... imposing your beliefs on me....
     
  12. giddyup

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    Stop pretending to know my heart and stop telling me what to do....
     
  13. GladiatoRowdy

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    How exactly is believing what I believe and standing up for choice "imposing [my] beliefs" on you?

    I am not trying to make anyone have an abortion.

    I am not trying to make anyone do anything they don't want to do.

    You don't have to believe what I do, but you do have to respect that I believe something different. I respect your beliefs, I understand that you have a deep moral belief that a fetus is "life," but I will never support you trying to force your beliefs onto millions of people who don't share them.
     
  14. GladiatoRowdy

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    You need to be told what to do, apparently. You need to BUTT OUT of other people's most personal, private decisions.

    I don't know what is in your heart, I can only tell based on what you have posted here. My comments are a reflection of how I see you, if it isn't accurate, please explain.
     
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    If your great crusade is largely characterized by efforts to employ your power of persuasion on these women in crisis, I can't imagine you have a lot of success. You're like a gnat on a camping trip. And I'm being generous.

    I can just imagine you in the counselor's chair...

    Dr. Giddyup: What are you choosing over love?

    Pregnant Woman: Um, what?

    Dr. Giddyup: Since when does being wrong not matter?

    Woman: Leave me alone, creep.

    Dr. Giddyup: I was married to a woman like you for 13 years.

    Woman: I'm calling the cops.

    Dr. Giddyup: Can you really afford to be that reckless?

    Woman: Stop pretending to know my heart and telling me what to do.
     
  16. giddyup

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    Not me.... but I would still like answers to those questions...
     
  17. giddyup

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    Stop imposing your beliefs on me...
     
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    It will always be a "Choice" world for anyone who has access to a passport, and funds for an aiplane ticket and clinic.

    The Pro-Life side is the only one trying to force a decision on another person by denying that option to people without those things.
     
  19. Deckard

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    Yet you, only you, thought to add Calvin to the 6th man debate in GARM. There you are, attempting to impose your beliefs on others, giddy. At least in that case, I might agree with you. :)
     
  20. mc mark

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    stop imposing your beliefs on everyone
     

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