They key phrase in my comment is "allow her to use..." Are you saying, then, that every woman should have open access to abortion because she has medically unsound fears for her own life due to her pregnancy? What's being argued is that if she doesn't want to be pregnant, she doesn't have to be pregnant and that decision-making process is being couched in generalized medical concerns.
Yes, it will. The conviction gets compromised by the context of a situation of war. Stupid adults and their wars; is that judgmental, moralizing criticism okay with you folks?
With an abortion ban for all cases other than physical health... If a pregnant woman is forced to carry to term, should the man who got her pregnant be forced to be a part of her life during the 9 months and provide all financial, mental, and emotional needs during that time? I keep seeing "it was her decision to get pregnant"...well, it takes two to tango, from what I understand. It's as much his "fault" as hers.
Amen! and I also think there is an equal 'choice' on the pregnancy for both... if it were my son in the womb.....
I disagree. IMO, the fundamental choice (veto power) goes to the woman because it is ultimately her biological processes that are being used to bring the fetus to term. I fully agree that the father should have a voice, but the choice is hers and hers alone.
That would mean another internment camp during the enforced gestational period. As a man, I don't think this would be necessary.
And what the example that Finalsbound raised where the women would be disowned by her family she would likely to have to drop out of school to raise the child and the father is no where to be found? I've noticed a tendency by abortion opponents to trivialize why women have abortions. While I'm sure some have them for trivial reasons such as not wanting swollen feet there many difficult reasons for that. As someone who lived with a woman who did you should understand that. I raised a similar example a few years agon and its not silly at all. As a male arguing against abortion there is one key thing you are missing is that you can never be pregnant. The closest we can get to understanding what that means is to give you an example where somebody is biologically dependent on you which is what pregnancy is. Let me give you another example then. Lets say you have casual sex with someone who you find out later needs a kidney transplant. You are the only person they know who is compatible woudl you do that? Pregnancy isn't a disease but it isn't without risk. As for it being punishment it sounds like in the case that Finalsbound cited it was. I think most of us would love it if every pregnancy was wanted but that isn't always the case.
A great post that really shows how difficult this decision can be. The part of this story that I found the most troubling was that her families who brought her up opposing abortion would create a situation that would make it more likely for her to have an abortion by threatening to disown her if she got pregnant out of wedlock. To me this is the ultimate irony of those who both oppose abortion but also subscribe to a rigid morality regarding human sexuality and marriage.
This is at the heart of my point (and also Obama's). If abortion=murder one would think that abortion opponents would do everything in their power to limit unwanted pregnancies. But, by and large, those who oppose abortion for religious reasons also oppose sex ed and condom distribution and encourage abstinence only programs that have been proven not to work. If the religious right is serious about reducing abortions in this country they need to get off their high horse.
Its not just preventing the unwanted pregnancy but what happens when the women is pregnant. I just find it disturbing that this girl's family would disown her for getting pregnant out of wedlock, especially when they should know that is going to make it very very very difficult to raise a child. I don't want to condemn them without knowing more facts but it seems to me if they were truly Pro-Life they would love their daughter no matter what and do all they could to help raise her and her child.
Exactly...this girl told me that at the point she first had sex, she didn't even know what a condom looked like (at 18!). Telling, IMO...
You would be surprised how many teenage girls have an abortion because they are fearful of what their parents would do if they found out. And yes it's ironic because many of these families are VERY anti-abortion. It presents a painful debacle.
I just want a pro-life view on the expectations of the male in each situation...as I mentioned a few posts ago...
That was a really difficult decision? Should I take a difficult path to life or do I kill an unborn child and make my life easier. ... difficult choice The only time I would say its a difficult choice is when either the mothers life is in danger or if the baby is a result of a rape. But when its a choice of comfort, that's sick.
Wow. You think that's "sick?" What do you recommend to women who have no support system, no family help, no father in the picture? Tough ****, deal with it?
If its like playing russian roulet to you then DON"t PLAY! ...until you are ready, wait to develop a support system...if you want to be an animal and you can't control yourself, then go ahead, but live with the consequences.
So it's OK if the father isn't willing to be involved at all? Wasn't he playing Russian Roulette as well? Doesn't he have a responsibility? Why aren't you addressing that? You can't see at ALL how this could be a difficult decision??
