My standard was a mother to an innocent child of her own creation. Man, you will really distort the facts to make a point!
I was married for thirteen years to a woman who had had two abortions. I lived with the tears and the grief and the guilt and the regret.
It wasn't mine; I had nothing to do with it. You guys are really s-t-r-e-t-c-h-i-n-g. You guys are really slinging the mud now, aren't you?
That is such an over-simplification of what I said that it doesn't even remotely resemble what I said. I recognized very limited (life and death) health concerns of the mother that could justify a pro-Choice situation. Your statement was that every pregnancy involves the mother's "health" so your pro-Choice position had basically no limitations-- which is devastating for unborn babies today.
giddy up, do you believe that women who seek to end a prgnancy should be detained and required to carry the child to term? What is your plan for enforced gestation for those who do not wish to carry a child to term?
We surely wouldn't want to put them in prison would we? Maybe those women who refuse to carry children to term should be sterilized? Re-education camps sound too Orwellian. We'll have to find another more loving and forgiving term for it.
I'm not distorting anything. Here's what you said: Note that in the last sentence of this reply you are making a value judgment in which saving a life supercedes non-life/death health concerns. In that case, a person is obligated to sustain another's life even if it costs him his own health/well-being. The absurdity of this situation makes it clear that a threat to another person's life alone does not obligate one to sacrifice his/her health to save that life. Therefore, you have to introduce a further standard to justify an anti-choice stance, which you do by challenging the validity of my orignial analogy: Notice that this standard has nothing to do with the value of the lives of the unborn. In previous posts, you have said something to the effect that if the mother could merely love the life insider of her until it was delivered into the world, she would never have an abortion. Now I ask you, if you could merely love the man leeching blood from you in an adjacent bed until he is slowly nursed back to health, why would you ever choose to pull the plug and go back to living your life? The decision to terminate a pregnancy is not about love or lack of love. Nor should it be about punishing a woman for getting pregnant, even if by her own actions. Having sex can also result in contracting one of various nasty infections. Should we not treat those? After all, it was the woman's own choice to have sex.
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Yes, I value a child's life more than I do a mother's sacrifice to suffer with indigestion or swollen feet or whatever "medical" justification you want to allow her to use to abort her unborn child. In this country, we generally have a disposition to protect the innocent. Your analogy was ridiculous; you had me hooked up like Gene Wilder to Peter Boyle at the end of "Young Frankenstein"... although Boyle/The Monster was the "creation" of Wilder/Dr. Frankenstein... do you now see the silliness of your example? People donate organs to loved ones all the time, but strangers are not compelled to do so, although we often donate blood products and even organs in the event of death sometimes. This is just wacko. Living up to your obligations to a human life you created is not a punishment. Of course we should cure disease, but pregnancy is not a disease.
So if you feel so strongly, giddyup, why haven't you murdered any abortion providers? Or do you not have the courage to follow through on your convictions?
If your ex-wife you're constantly trotting out here to prove how compassionate you are had her abortions to avoid swollen feet, that explains a lot about your bizarre dismissal of all women who have made this difficult decision as selfish and unloving.
Well that is not the case but it is my way of poking holes in the spurious argument that someone made that every pregnancy is a medical risk for which abortion is a justifiable "cure." I "trot her out" because I actually lived intimately with a woman who had been through it twice and had deep regrets and sorrows. It's not like getting your teeth cleaned. How is it unselfish and loving to abort a child when that child could be given up for adoption instead. I don't really expect an answer because I don't think one is possible.
