1. I'm not aware that I've ever "gone very quiet" about this issue. 2. I have no hostility. Are you overlooking the fact that I've announced here more than once that I married a woman whom I knew before marrying had had two abortions? Explain that. 3. I'm not judging anyone; I just have more sympathy for the child who is unwittingly about to have his or her life terminated by decree of his or her mother than I am of the mother who would prefer to "theoretically" submit herself to some kind of back-alley medical procedure rather than give life to her child. She is doing that to herself and to her child out of a preference. We are under no obligation to support such a decision. 4. You want me to have "selfless compassion" but not the mother choosing abortion for her baby? I have it in spades by comparison. That's just the truth. It matters not how bad she feels about it... does she do it? If she does there is no selflessness involved. No argument there. 5. There are apologies and then there are apologies. I can live with it because I never expected it in the first place.
I have demonized nobody. As I've pointed out a few times, I married a woman who I knew had had two abortions before we married. Do you think I'd marry a demon?
In your discussions of this subject, there have been plenty of comments about pro-choicers that were not complimentary. You don't have to believe that someone is a demon in order to demonize them or their position.
I don't have to compliment their choices either.... Is there any behavior that you object to? Does that make you judgmental (whatever that really means)?
Ooh! Oooh! I already posted how I have! Does that mean I win something? Don't listen to that groogergruxelamadingdong guy, I was first. I win! Email me through the board and I will give you my address. I expect you to pay for overnight shipping. If you don't and I don't receive the prize by Friday, you will owe me a sincere apology.
My prize is curious? You are buying me a kitty?!?!?!?! That is awesome. I never suspected such a generous gift from you. Generally I htink of you as a miser but this is a great turn of events. I am allergic to cats, though, so I wish you had asked before sending it. Wait a minute...did oyu know that I was allergic? Are you trying to poison me? You are a jerk!
The word you are looking for is "ignored". You have consistently glossed over this important counterpoint everytime it is mentioned. There are hostilities and then there are hostilities. But you are under an obligation to subvert said decision? Color me unconvinced by your logic, as it consistenty ignores (again and again) the argument(s) referenced above and throughout this thread. Pragmatically reacting to reality is far more appropriate than clearly delineating an impossible mark, particularly when it is none of your business. As was stated before, this is why our secular democracy is so great. Wow, what a great example you are for others! It's hilarious giddy, that I (a pseudo-atheist) have a better grasp of jesus' teaching than you. The parable of the sinner and the pharisee applies, as does the adage of "let he who is without sin..." You're comparitive compassion does not make you better. Judging someone in that regard not only makes you a poor christian, it labels you a prideful and arrogant human. A sad little microcosm of all that is wrong with collectivist religious dogma. blah blah blah
I was just pointing out that you had, in fact, agreed with a broader pro-choice position before you realized you had misunderstood my post. It goes to your lack of reading comprehension (intentional?) and general lack of understanding of the pro-choice side.
Nobody is asking you to compliment their choices, merely to respect that they came to a decision based on their moral code and their relationship with the God of their choosing. I would also ask you to respect that the people making one of the most difficult decisions of their lives know more about themselves and their circumstances than you do. Sure, I don't like people using cocaine in any of its many forms around me. The same goes for heroin, meth, and several other substances. It does not make me judgmental because I only ask people to refrain from those activities when in my house. I do not advocate for them to lose their choice when it comes to intoxicants, in fact, I advocate for the opposite. The actions that others take, so long as they don't affect me directly, are none of my business. Just like the decisions that women make about whether to use their womb to bring a fetus to term and bear it are none of your business.
It's just someone's opinion about what would happen. All I know is that if each woman with an unwanted pregnancy learns to love their baby long enough just to get it borne, there will be no abortions. That's cute but do you really think that a simple apology is analgous to a marriage commitment? If I wish to save a life, I will endeavor to do so. I have ignored no arguments; they are just not convincing. I'm not intimidated by what you deem impossible because it is but one decision at a time; it's not a mountain to move. Lives that hang in the balance due to our common law is my business. I said that I have compassion for the baby whereas you would seem to want to limit my compassion to the mother which de-humanizes the baby in utero. Give me a break... I said nothing about being better. My dogma is the humanity of the child in utero which i seek to save.
What you wrote was confusing. You used the word "medical" as a describer when, in fact, you meant no medical consideration. You simply meant "did the woman want the abortion..." Your writing was not at all clear. I've explained this, now, a couple of times and I think the point of confusion is very clear. Why do you still need to keep insulting my reading comprehension?
This makes no sense whatsoever. Do not belittle my attempts at getting a free kitty, regardless of how allergic I may be. You owe me an apology. Stop arguing this abortion nonsense and discuss the important element of this thread - my kitty.
We live in a society which has common law for the common good. We don't live in isolation. We all have opinions about what our national will is on various fronts. Just because you don't share this one with me, does not make it invalid.
Do tigers pose the same allergy problems? I am not sure. If they do, doesn't that mean that my allergies would be worse because a full-grown tiger is larger than a kitty? I appreciate your attempt to "make things right" by giving a bigger gift, but I am not so sure on this one. Maybe I should visit the zoo first and ask if I can interact with their tigers in order to guage allergic response? Hmmm.... Invisible Fan - that is why I will insist on FedEx.
Whatever. What I said was perfectly clear. Abortion is a medical decision for the woman and doctor to make, not you.
