Seriously, would you trust a kid to someone who wanted an abortion to look good for prom? Let God judge their vanity if that is the case. I tend to believe these are extreme exceptions and not the rule, and not worth denying worthy cases over.
What you are not getting is this: to someone with a pro-Life position, each innocent life is precious and deserves protection from poor choices a woman might make because the fetus is a separate living being that is unable to fend for itself.
Some interesting takes: <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/GzisHrqZAbM&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/GzisHrqZAbM&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object> Photos of late-term abortions: http://www.priestsforlife.org/resources/photosassorted/index.htm What doctor was it that said, "Live long and prosper...": http://www.priestsforlife.org/resources/abortionimages/HodariBabies/hodari013_13.html
If the GOP had inserted language protecting the health of the mother, the late-term abortion ban from a few years ago would be in force. The lack of such a ban is the direct result of ideologues doing what they perceive is best for them politically at the expense of what is best for the country and the "lives" they say they want to protect.
No kidding. As if abortion is the reason these people are vain and irresponsible. Also as if outlawing abortion would stop people from doing vain and irresponsible things. Talk about barking up the wrong tree.
First things first: you're not "pro-life", you're ANTI-CHOICE. You're not taking a stance in favor of an action. You're taking a stance against an action. So let's drop this whole "pro-life" thing, shall we? Second, let's also drop emotionally manipulative words like "innocent" and "precious" from the argument. If the fetus was somehow able to be a profane, chain-smoking jerk, would his rights be diminished? If the fetus is such a "separate living being", them let it live outside the womb. Oh wait, it can't. Why? Because it is NOT a separate living being yet, it's a collection of cells that has the potential to become a separate living being. Big difference. And if you don't see it, it's because you don't want to see it. Oh goody. More scare tactics and emotional blackmail/manipulation by the anti-choice folks. Great argument. Massive fail.
Excellent post. I am often aghast at how quickly religious folks are willing to presume they know god's opinion on something, and then (despite teachings to the contrary) act upon it zealously.
nobody is questioning these peoples character or their actions that led to an abortion. The problem is that it is ILLEAGAL as hell to perform a late term abortion for such reasons.
That's funny, I thought you like throwing screwballs. The kind that go around the subject to get to your point.
Call it want you want as long as you be pro-Abortion! Let's just say we are on opposite sides of the argument. No they would not be diminished even in your ridiculous example. As it is in reality though, that fetus is innocent and precious. Next. Did you know that all women who carry male fetuses then would have penises for the duration of the pregnancy, if it is only their own body? A baby is differentiated from a teenager is differentiated from a middle-aged male is differntiated from a grumpy old man. I think the science would prove that each clump of cells is differentiated from another clump of cells. You and I are a clump of cells... Scare tactics? It's just the reality of what some are arguing for... How can you deny that? I know it's not pretty to look at. Face up to the "by-product" of your policy...
Christians defined by- just like Jesus Christ do not murder Jesus wasn't a terrorist and neither are His disciples... Love your enemies. That settles it.
I am against abortion, but pro-choice. In fact I've yet to meet someone who is pro-abortion, or thinks abortions are awesome.
When did this thread turn into another dumb abortion argument? Shouldn't we be talking about the murder of abortion doctors?
I don't get that. You are right, because I am someone who looks for consistency...and it seems inconsistent. Shouldn't a pro-lifer be against the death penalty? Shouldn't a pro-lifer be against war? Shouldn't a pro-lifer be anti-guns? Yet for most of those who are pro-life, it's not the case. Most pro-lifers are for the death penalty, were for the war on Iraq, and are pro-gun rights. So that's why I find it really hard to believe they really want to protect innocent unborn babies who aren't self-aware and yet are content to live in a world where conscious, self-aware beings are cruelly killed. I truly don't get it. So my only explanation is that it's not about protecting life, it's about being part of a religion.
I speak for nobody else except Landlord Landry on this but: I vehemently oppose the death penalty. However, the death penalty is a punishment for a crime. A fetus does not commit a crime. I'm not FOR war, but I am also not against it, when necessary. As far as the Iraq war.....a lot of people were for the war when it started, and a lot more are against it now, regardless of political/religious affiliation. Thats all I will ever say about that particular war. I do believe in the Bible, I do believe in God. My convinctions on abortion do not stem from religion, although religion does influence my views, I just really have a geniune compassion for children and especially the unborn. I really REALLY want to respect women's privacy/right to choose, but I also know that there is another voice in this matter that is not being represented AT ALL. I wish there was an easy solution. Some where both sides could meet in the middle on this......I defintley don't want to see another person die over this issue, especially in the name of religion. However, SOMETHING should be done to make a serious attempt to greatly reduce abortions. ^^If that makes me a right-wing nutjob. Thats fine. I'll wear the title, at least according to this boards flimsy definition.
Some well thought out comments I oppose abortion because it takes innocent life. I oppose most wars because they seem often unjust and kill for greed. I oppose murder because it takes innocent life. I could support a just death penalty that protected the lives of the innocent in society, but I would prefer the judicial system to be impartial in justice, but I would be fine with life imprisonment as an alternative to the death penalty if it also resulted in the protection of innocent lives. I would support gun ownership for the protection of family and property and for hunting and sport, I do not favor private ownership of military type weapons and armed resistance to the government (I think we are past those days personally.) the labels like pro-life don't tell the whole story, but it should mean doing the most to protect innocent life.
