Weren't you saying the gunman should get the death penalty? Sounds like you weren't minding your own business.
I'm guessing almost any pregancy would qualify under those categories. They are not mutually exclusive, you know. You can have multiple reasons... so I find this study a little unsatisfying.
I think he should be shot yes. But, I don't believe in the bible....so, I have no issue with it... DD
Of coarse your bringing up the stats of abortions in general, lumping everything in one basket. The doctor that was killed specialized in "late term" abortions and a extremist took matters into their own hands, "bloody hands" and happens to be pro-life. But some found it amazing that the doctor was at church. How ironic?!
I posted that fact. I've found it before and put it in other threads about this topic. It's a weird thing to me when not allowing a mother to kill their unborn baby is deemed "punishment." It's like Bizarro World. How is someone getting themselves pregnant a victim of misfortune-- most of the time?
Absolutely not. If you read this thread you will see I have slammed this guy and everyone who takes action in this way. I think the people who used to (don't know if it happens as much anymore) stand by abortion clinics and yell "slut, babykiller" etc. are disgusting human beings. If my comparison seemed to indicate that I thought this man was doing something good then I apologize a thousand times over because in no way whatsoever do I support this. If, and like I've said this is where the difference obviously is, you think it is a life, you can't say that anymore than you could you could say "People's lives are their own business, is it no one elses business if someone wants to shoot a homeless man...between them and god...no one else..." Of course if you think it is a life you care. And like I've said multiple times, I don't judge any woman who has an abortion. I hold no ill will towards her, don't look down on her, don't spit on her, etc.
I'm not comparing the Good Samaritan to any party in this real world scenario, only challenging the idea that Jesus would say we need to mind our own business.
The question isn't whether a fetus is a life, it is whether a fetus has the same rights as a post-natal child.
I didn't make those stats up. You are more than welcome to post any other stats you have that might further explain your position. I used the stats because I feel that they are fairly accurate, and show that the majority of abortions are not induced because of medical complications. I understand that abortions are often medically needed. The horror of a decision like that, I couldn't even begin to imagine. I truely wish no person, mother, father, brother, sister, son, or daughter ever have to be put through that. Ever. It's the type of abortions that Tiller was conducting and the amount of terminations I am uncomfortable with. Having said that, not one single fiber of my body believes for a second that his murder was justified or defensable. Killing Tiller is not any sort of solution to resolving anybody's indifferences on this issue. Given the nature of his practice, I'm just torn up about his death either. I am more upset about what this does to the general public's preception of anti-abortion proponents. I do feel really, really sorry for Tillers family.
I think I've posted this before, but Mrs. rimrocker thinks that if it was guys that got pregnant, there'd be a clinic on every corner with scantily clad attendants that served wings and nachos in the big screen-equipped waiting room.
times in anticipation of this idiocy is the reason behind the thread title. i don't at all think christianity or a statistically significant minority of christians supports this. but this type of terrorism is conducted by fringe folks who identify themselves as christian and justify it based on christianity. of course many christians will try to excommunicate such folks. and that obviously may be something their understanding of their religion allows. but as far as the folks perpetrating these actions, they do justify it and identify themselves with christianity very similar to self-identified muslims who conduct terrorism and justify it.
So now that Mr. Roeder has been shown to have ties to The Freemen, to Operation Rescue, and the Army of God (having even written articles for the Army of God magazine Prayer & Action News), I assume that all of you people who objected so vigorously that people were jumping the gun and placing blame erroneously by the use of "Christian" in the title of the thread are going to apologize profusely, right? Yep, that's what I thought.
Yeah, I know you've posted that before, and I had a good chuckle both times. I don't doubt it for a second. It's kind of amusing to watch a bunch of males talk about it, people who won't ever know what it feels like to have a crisis pregnancy. Especially dealing with it alone if the father isn't around. (Not that I have either...but I've had "scares" before and my mind has teetered near the edge of panic/near insanity because of it). The problem does't lie with the fact that the anti-choice crowd believes that it is murder, it's that the many of the very conservative individuals also believe that abstinence education is the only "moral" form of sex ed. This refusal to deal with sex because it's evil or "icky" or whatever, is one of the greatest causes of abortion in the first place. Just look at the European countries who implemented sex ed and made condoms and birth control more available - abortions have gone down % wise significantly. Of course, there are still a few who believe birth control and condoms are getting in the way of the "will of God." The line is crossed in different places across the board.
from McClatchey news -- Women's Health Care Services, the clinic that has been bombed, blockaded and vandalized for more than 20 years because late-term abortions are performed there, will be closed this week to mourn the slaying Sunday of founder George Tiller. But the clinic will resume normal operations next Monday, said LeRoy Carhart, a Nebraska physician who has been coming to Tiller's clinic on a rotating basis for more than 10 years now. "What people need to know is... the women's services that we provided for 30 years are not going to change; the same abortion services will remain available in Wichita." http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/69212.html
Whatever you want to believe, parse words, rationalize however you want. Dr Tiller was not a law breaker. He was not doing anything illegal. He was murdered for his beliefs and what he did. that is terrorism
This is easy. The US going after al-Qaeda in Afghanistan was designed to take out militarily acceptable targets (ie terror training camps, etc). When the IRA bombed the tube, it was a civilian target and the death of civilians was the entire goal.
