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Chris Simms' NFL Future

Discussion in 'Football: NFL, College, High School' started by The Truth, Jan 19, 2003.

  1. gr8-1

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    Man, I really hope you're not one of the guys that is openly rooting against Simms, are you? Like I said, I think it's cool to root against your opponents or someone like Ryan Leaf, but some of y'all have no idea how great of a person Simms is.

    He did look like crap at the senior bowl and I do think Greg Davis did protect him some, but Mortenson said he's moved up the draft board.
     
  2. gr8-1

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    News from Chris Mortensen, tonight, after the game.

    This isn't an exact quote, but it's close. Watch Sportscenter again if you want the exact wording.

    While Carson Palmer consistently impressed this week, it was Texas' Chris Simms that moved higher on the draft board than most executives let on...
     
  3. RunninRaven

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    Good to know you assume the worst of people just because they don't like the player you love. The majority of the Simms "haters" on this site simply criticize his game and abilities based on what they see of him. Sure, they may be wrong, but assuming that these people just harbor some personal vendetta against Simms and pray for his failure sounds more than a little paranoid.
     
  4. gr8-1

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    I don't know, the majority of the first 6 or 7 posts seemed rather mean-spirited to me. They may not "hate" him, but they almost seem like they are lavishing in his failures.
     
  5. RunninRaven

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    Well, they may be a bit mean spirited, but I don't find them any more mean spirited than a great many of things that are said against some NBA players on this BBS. I don't see a great deal of outcry against that. Sure, people may come across as enjoying any failure by the guy, but I think it is more of taking pleasure in being justified in making correct predictions on what Simms would do or what he is capable of. But assuming these same people would be happy he suffers a career ending injury is assuming a LOT, in my opinion.
     
  6. TheHorns

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    SSDD

    Simms will be a more effective pro than college player. I ma not saying a superstar, or a franchise guy, but when the tools he has are better developed, I think he will be much more effective than many think. I never said tis no one else's fault, but the lack of player development can bee seen throughout The Texas program.

    Hell, we could go round and round (and have for the last 3 years about this. Everything stated in here (my self included) is pure speculation.

    We may have this same conversation about David Carr, he is no lock to be a "star" or "franchise" QB. Hell, that guy only played 2 years for a school that is by no means a powerhouse in a mediocre conference. There are many many questions about Carr. Per NFL scouts on NFL.com's pre-draft scouting report (alot of this we saw this year):

    Holds the ball too long, inviting the sack, rather than dumping it off or throwing it away … Makes proper checks, but does not have a variety of throws … Needs to improve his pass drop, as he does a lot of three-step motion and will hold the ball a little too long, taking the sack rather than throwing it away.


    So who gives a **** and who knows. We will all see.
     
  7. Rocketman95

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    The difference, obviously, is a lot of this comes from Longhorn fans. There's a difference between rooting against your rivals or other teams and when it's your team and/or players.

    I'm done with this by the way. I hope Simms has a great and healthy career, preferrably in a city that won't graffiti overpasses and post his cell phone numbers on a website.
     
  8. DaDakota

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    One of these days Major and RM95 are going to get into it, and Major will simply say.

    You're fired.

    :)

    Now that would be funny and the end of the argument.

    DD
     
  9. Rocketman95

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    Yeah, really funny. :rolleyes:
     
  10. The Truth

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    Sorry Bubba, but when you grace the cover of a national rag striking a Heiseman (sp?) pose in your Junior year, you leave yourself ONLY 2 choices

    1) Put up
    2) Shut up

    People will put up any and all bad traits if you can put the bigger number on the scoreboard (LT, OJ, etc). Loser's get rolled no matter how ' nice and classy' they are.

    Rocketman, it truly disgusts me how many people succeed in life solely because they are nice, no matter how lazy/stupid/incompetent they are. If you ever have to file for divorce, go ahead and hire a 'nice' attorney.....see how far that gets you.
     
  11. Rocketman95

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    What publication was he on where he did the Heisman pose? I don't recall that at all.

    I'd much rather be a Chris Simms than a LT or OJ. :rolleyes:
     
  12. gr8-1

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    Did he ask to be put on the cover? And, what do you mean heisman pose? Like Desmond Howard? Yeah right. I can't see Chris doing that.

    Besides, it's just sports, not divorce. Nice and classy go along way in who I want to represent my university.
     
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    I'm not sure....College Football Weekly, I think, but I cant be sure. But I remember the pic! The 610 callers were on the subjects for weeks

    ...And, yes, given the 3 choices, I would rather be Simms, too!:cool:
     
  14. RunninRaven

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    If your complaint is that someone is wishing ill on a person who has never done anything to them, then I don't see how this makes any difference.
     
  15. Rocketman95

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    You're right Raven, it doesn't make a difference. What riles me up in this particular situation is the fact that a lot of Longhorn "fans" seem to take a great deal of joy out of Simms messing up.

    The Truth, I call bull**** on that. I listened to 1300 The Zone nearly everyday for about three years, and I've never heard that. Show us some proof.
     
  16. Timing

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    I don't think anyone wishes Chris Simms ill. I just find it funny how he's propped up by the media and his fans to the nth degree and then all we hear are excuses when he performs poorly, ie the defense, the coaching, the running back, the line, the offense, the WIND. That INT for a TD in the Senior Bowl was just a microcosm of his college career IMHO. This time we actually got to hear him try to explain it and he still has no clue about what's happening on the field. He sounded like he was in a fog which is pretty much how he's played his whole career. Unless his receivers are completely whipping DB's then there's trouble.
     
  17. Rocketman95

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    How did he compete like he was in a fog his whole career? He's set numerous UT passing records? :confused:
     
  18. Timing

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    I think those were more a function of the team around him and the horrible teams they played than it was that Simms was such a great quarterback.
     
  19. gr8-1

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    Lately it's been fashionable (and justified) to blame the coaching, defense, wr drops because Simms really has played well. I will say that he does sometimes get too much credit (KSU), but he deserves it. Hell, UT fans in the stands would piss and moan if Chris threw the ball out of bounds (even if it's the right call).

    My friends ex girlfriend said at OU 2001 (a team loss) "they would have won if Major were playing" and I guarantee you she's never seen Major play.

    For the record, I think Chris has been a good to very good QB. But, when he throws an int., it is almost always alot uglier than any other QBs. And, I would have to say that Major may have been the better QB. Just remember, these things can change at a blink of an eye (see Carson Palmer last year).
     
  20. TheFreak

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    If people are going to say "football is huge in Texas" and continue to prop up UT, and how great of a school it is, and how much better they are than A&M, and how anyone would want to play there, etc., then when the school underachieves, you can't go "what the f***?" when criticism comes flying. And everyone knows that the QB gets most of the credit when you win, and most of the blame when you lose. THAT'S LIFE. And when that QB comes in as the #1 recruit in the USA, you can expect more criticism. And when that QB starts ahead of a fan favorite, who was the BIG 12 OFFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR, you can expect even MORE criticism when he screws up. And when that QB is surrounded by the best HS players in the country, and continues to underachieve, you can continue to expect criticism.

    For some reason I'm thinking that Greg Davis will suddenly become a decent OC next year. Not sure why, this is just a hunch.

    I didn't know about this, but I heard it on the radio recently...is it true that Simms had his own segment on the Dan Patrick radio show weekly? Again, not sure if it's true, but if so, no one forced him to do that, and that's not a good way to avoid all the 'hype'.
     

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