Chris Paul or Deron Williams

The On/Off is this year. The adjusted +/- is combined 2 years, but with more weight on this season.

Last year, Paul had a +9.3 in On/Off, +4.7 adjusted +/-, and a 28.3 PER. Williams had a +1.3 On/Off, +2.6 adjusted +/-, and a 20.3 PER.

 

That thing on espn.com earlier this year said williams is one of the 25 best players in the league now but paul is gonna be one of the 25 best of all time when its all said and done

 

Brevin Knight is a very, very underrated true "point guard" in my opinion. (I put that in quotes because I believe positions mean nothing in basketball). How good could Williams be if he and Knight could player together?

 

Kirlenko and Boozer.

 

Yes but you also have to take the league rules into account. CP3 benefits from quite a lot of superstar calls, and with the way the league officiates right now. In the olden days, I doubt Cp3 would be able to survive the banging and hard fouls guards used to get. Deron on the other hand is like a point guard version of Dream-perfect blend of size, skill and athletecism. Too bad he plays for the Jazz lol. Of course with the way the league is set up right now, Cp3 is going to get you more production. But in the purest sense of the term, the better pg should definitely be Deron Williams. Given a choice he's the one I'd pick anyway; Cp3 has great anticipation, but Deron's the better shooter, and one you can always use him to post opposing pgs up.

 

So were you planning on using a time machine to fly back to the olden days after taking Deron Williams?

 

LOL. Yup that was definitely my plan. Kidd against Deron Williams would have been the stuff of ages

 

Nope, not a chance. West is a fantastic player but he's very Amare-esque in that his numbers would take a hit without a superstar PG feeding him perfect passes on the PnR. I don't even think Peja can get his own shot anymore and Chandler is merely a rich man's Kelvin Cato. Posey is one of the best role players in the league but he can't carry a team. Daniels stinks. Butler and Mo Pete are strictly spot up shooters.

How would this team win a game without Chris Paul?

 

William is a better fit for our team, but Paul is the better PG.

 

No way at all. That is a very easy question.

 

I agree with this. Chris Paul is to an extent a product of the rule changes. If I remember correctly, he was very unimpressive in the Olympics where the game isn't as perimeter-oriented. But in the new NBA, Chris Paul is better, no doubt.

 

I'm sorry man but you're nuts if you think this Hornets team could float around .500 without Paul. Talking to me about Antonio Daniels, your selective memory of the 06/07 Hornets squad (it was essentially the same team minus a couple factors) or whatever isn't going to convince me of anything. I respect your opinion but we're just going to have to agree to disagree. I think it's that ridiculous.

Not to mention, I have to question how often you watch the Hornets if you think West doesn't thrive tremendously from playing with Paul. Like I said, West is a fantastic player -- very underrated, can get his own shot and very tough to guard on the offense end. Would he be a 20 PPG player without Paul? You be the judge of that. I'm skeptical. Amare is better but I used Amare as an example because it illustrates the same point: fine players, would be good without elite PG's but are among the top at their positions because of them.

Your Rasheed comparison is way out of left field too. Comparing Rasheed to LaMarcus Aldridge? Really? I see no relevance or basis for comparison at all. One guy is an aging three point shooter while the other an up-and-coming star in the league. I'm well aware numbers don't mean everything but age, upside and logic don't play out well in your favor here. I get what you were trying to say but bad example.

 

Chris Paul is a better overall player. But last time when I watched their head-to-head matchup, DWill owned Paul big time. Paul seemed to do well against other PG except Williams because he is too strong, pretty much like the fact that Yao always send Dwight Howard to school.

 

Aldridge and Amare don't win? Who on this planet has ever referred to David West as one of those 'Mr. Intangible' type of guys? I saw West win a game once -- with, guess what -- a wide open jump shot created by CP3. You're reaching here. Every basketball player plays defense in some capacity, sets picks, communicates on defense and whatever else you can come up with otherwise they simply wouldn't be playing. The difference is some are better at it than others.

This is getting ridiculous. On one hand you're arguing basketball statistics are overrated, the other you're banking on them to make your point about West. 60% of his points are assisted. For comparison's sake: 74% of KG's points are assisted. There's not a sane person on the planet that would argue West is better, has a better post game or is better in the clutch. So really, what does this prove? I never said West couldn't get his own shot. He can, he's just not a great scorer and he benefits from playing with an elite PG. Over half of his points and attempts come from the mid-range game. Take a wild guess how the ball is getting there most of the time.

In your hypothetical scenario Antonio Daniels (washed up) becomes the floor general of this team. All of sudden he's responsible for disguising that team's lack halfcourt scorers instead of CP3. We've already established West can score in the halfcourt -- he's not great at it, benefits from playing with an elite PG but he's effective. He becomes option #1. Peja, a guy who probably can't even get his own shot anymore becomes option #2 with any combination of Posey/Mo Pete/Butler (all strictly jump shooters) becoming option #3. I'm sorry, but if you see .500 potential in that team more power to ya. They would be lucky to win a game without CP3, if you ask me.

.....and that 06/07 Hornets team was essentially the same roster. Minus Posey but replaced with Pargo + Mason. Peja might have been hurt that year too, IIRC. Same point though.