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Chris Paul critical of ref Lauren Holtkamp

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by BleedRocketsRed, Feb 6, 2015.

  1. i3artow i3aller

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    Get off your knees Lauren, you're blowing the game.

    Apparently you can't use pronouns anymore. I hate what this world has become.

    The key quote that is now being run with is “this might not be for her”. HER! Illegal, because that’s SEXIST! God, I only wish I were joking. All he was saying is that she is a rookie ref and maybe, right now, she is in a little over her head. Projecting motive, that Chris Paul is talking about her refereeing skills because she’s a female and not talking about referee skills because she, gasp, might just be a bad referee is such a joke. Ever had a job where you felt overwhelmed and tried to exude a little false confidence around the workplace? Yes, of course, we all have. Well if you’re a ref, that is displayed in the form of controlling the game and calling Technical fouls. The NBA has played roughly 1,500 games this season. There have been 486 Technical fouls called, or what comes out to be approximately 1 in every 3 games. There were FIVE technical fouls last night. Now I’ll admit, Matt Barnes is sort of a scumbag and Technical foul connoisseur, but simply saying that the moment may be too big and the whistle a little too tight is not wrong, it’s just stating a fact. She’s a rookie, I would expect a rookie ref to receive criticism.

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    Also, if we really want to get into facts here, Lauren Holtkamp is the same ref that made this particular call a few weeks ago. Situation is a tie game as time is dwindling down in the fourth, and she fouls out Boogie Cousins on an absurdly obvious flop by Tyson Chandler.

    That’s a brutally bad call, and it has nothing to do with gender. It has to do with a rookie ref not understanding game situations and how the low post is played in 2015. A big moment when a ref needs to be at his/her absolute best and she blew it. It’s a bad call and it may illustrate that she is not ready for NBA refereeing not because of her gender but because she’s just not ready for NBA refereeing.
     
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  2. Joshfast

    Joshfast "We're all gonna die" - Billy Sole
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    Clippers are the worst flopping, crying, wanna-be tough guy act in all of basketball. They deserve even more technical fouls called.
     
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  3. baller4life315

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    This

    ....and this
     
  4. ipaman

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    I hate CP3 but this is nothing. Him/Her/You/Them pronouns are not offensive.

    The "not for" portion of the comment however is fine worthy. You can't criticize the refs and "not for" is a criticism.
     
  5. Pull_Up_3

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    Funny, crying like always. Also if you can't take technical fouls then maybe the game of basketball "isnt for you"

    Fukin idiot lmao CPCry needs to stfu
     
  6. Awesome

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    Be careful... logic is not welcomed in a place where irrational spews of hate and espn like humor is running free like a waterfall.
     
  7. KlutchQT

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    Wow.

    I'm... just gonna leave this thread alone.
     
  8. zeeshan2

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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>After review, the calls made by Ms. Holtkamp are fully justified. We deplore the unprofessional comments made by Chris Paul. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/shebelongs?src=hash">#shebelongs</a></p>&mdash; NBA Referees (@OfficialNBARefs) <a href="https://twitter.com/OfficialNBARefs/status/563733439354920963">February 6, 2015</a></blockquote>
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  9. pippendagimp

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    these vegas whores actually have their own twitter?
     
  10. I am a Donut

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    I felt like they were trying to push her buttons and daring her to call techs on them. No self respecting ref puts up with that.
     
  11. JuanValdez

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    There is certainly a gender dimension here that inescapably casts a shadow on the whole thing. But, I don't really want to go there are make allegations about people's motives -- Paul's, Holtkamp's, the media's, the ref union's, or ultimately the league's when they respond. It certainly impacted all of them in some way, but I'm not going to accuse anyone of sexism for it. That's too facile. And, I think it gets in the way. The short of it is that the league can't allow its players to say stuff like that about refs in public, period.
     
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  12. Angkor Wat

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    I don't think he meant that this isn't the place for HER because shes a girl, but moreso that he doesn't think she's a good ref. Lauren isn't the only female ref that reffed Chris Paul in a game.

    Of course, in this age, people are going to spin in as he doesn't think the NBA is a place for female refs. Fine him for being disrespectful to a ref but don't paint him as some sexis pig against equality for woman.
     
  13. MONON

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    I agree that it was a flop by Chandler. She was behind the play and saw Boogie's elbow in the area of Tyson's head & Tyson's head snap back. Did she see contact? I doubt it, because I didn't see any contact on the replay. So yes she fell for the flop & it was a bad call.

    But if that "illustrates that she is not ready for NBA refereeing", then I submit that none of the current refs are ready for NBA refereeing!
     
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    He said this might not be for her. Especially in an environment where women are already struggling against discrimination just to be included, you can't say "her", ever. Pretty much any reference to the fact that females are female, is basically rape.
     
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  15. MONON

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    You really think CP would have the balls to say something like that about Violet Palmer?!! He couldn't ever stay in a game she refed. As someone already stated, Lauren>>>>>>>Violet.
     
  16. JayZ750

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    I think it DOES illustrate it, at least based on what we have been told as fans... which is flops are discouraged, refs at least try to let the players decide the game, and refs are told to only call the fouls that they see.

    She violated all of those. From the video you can clearly see another ref with clear sight to the play.

    She was baited into a call, with 21 seconds left, in a tie game, that fouled out the Kings best player, in a game which the Mavs ultimately won in overtime.

    The Kings were 3-2 in the previous 5 games. Starting with that loss, they've since gone 1-10. Yes, they've played good teams, yes losing is on them, but it's just one of those calls that changes the fortunes of some teams.

    Even for Dallas, in an ultra competitive West, where 1 game could mean the difference between the 4th seed and the 7th seed, it's just a HORRIBLE call.
     
  17. SF3isBack!!

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    They were justified if u know the rules u know she was right.
     
  18. Patience

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    Get out of here with this trash. You totally discredited everything else you said in your post with this first sentence.
     
  19. mr. 13 in 33

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    Isn't this where clippy comes in and defends Chris Paul?
     
  20. Fyreball

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    He wasn't talking to his teammate. He was frustrated at her because he wanted to hurry up, and run with the ball, and she wouldn't give it to Jordan to in-bounds fast enough. He made a comment directly to HER, and she teched him up for it. It might have been a weak technical foul, but Paul was definitely talking directly to her.
     

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