The problem for you is that Tyus Jones is a terrible defensive player. His DPM is actually worse than Trae Young, Anfernee Simons and Jordan Poole- all of whom are considered terrible defensive players. It is not possible to hide him defensively. Aaron Holiday is actually much better defensively. Tyus Jones can run an offense much better than Aaron Holiday. They're probably roughly equal players overall. Whatever problems Tyus Jones would solve for us, he creates new ones defensively. I don't think Ime would tolerate Tyus Jones in his rotation.
Agree. I also think the idea that Booker is only 10% better than Jalen Green is silliness. We need Jalen to be our number 1 offensive option. That is what he is currently and what we hope he improves upon. There are currently 15 teams in the NBA with a winning percentage of .500 or better. Looking at the number one offensive option for each of those 15 teams, Jalen is clearly the worst player of those 15. The only player who is anywere near Jalen's tier is Norm Powell for the Clippers. Powell's true shooting percentage is .627 which is elite. Jalen's is .545 which is pretty bad for a number one offensive option. We thus have the worst number 1 offensive option of every .500 or above team in the entire NBA. Hoping Jalen becomes a better version of himself is not a terrible strategy. Replacing him with Devin Booker is an even better strategy though if the idea is to win a championship. I also believe that Jalen at $35 million per year for his current contribution is not a very good contract. If he does improve significantly as we all hope, he'll receive a much bigger contract starting in 2027. Ultimately, I think it's really unlikely that Jalen Green ever becomes that player than Devin Booker is currently- a proven, All-NBA player who has been a terrific playoff performer.
The question isn’t is Booker better than Green but is Booker worth the cost. Green plus Tari to make the numbers work and let FVV go. Which would you rather have? Green, FVV, Tari, 3 lottery picks Or Booker I think many here have Booker as a superstar and think he’s worth the cost. Personally I don’t see it and most Suns fans (check the Suns forums) think he’s not either so I’m not sure if he can ever be that star who can lead a team to the ring. I think he would be a great #2 but is he worth 60M?
Jones had a positive DBPM and above-average DRtg in Memphis and Minnesota. He may have been covered for by better defenses there to some degree. I don't think he's a good defender, but I don't think he's a massive liability either. I think the truth is somewhere in between. He's a guy who can play on a good defensive team and not tank your whole defense, but he is not a guy who elevates his team's defense in any way. So basically, he's a mediocre defensive 6'0" guard. Which is also how I'd describe Aaron Holiday's defense, by the way. Holiday probably hustles a bit more than Tyus lately, but I think a lot of that is because of team culture.
People commonly make this mistake when evaluating player's predominantly defensively because it is so much based on team performance. If your team sucks on D you are going to suck on D in statistics. He was never a liability, the Suns are a massive liability. The Suns are a jumpshooting team. They never get back on D, are unprepared for the break and give their opposition no exertion on D so on offense they face a juggernaut every night in an all-star like game of trading baskets. If there is no real rim protector or backbone of the D, small Tyus is basically on an island. That doesn't work. You want to be able to shade players with an inside threat and make them hesitant and force them into bad shots. Look at opponents EFG% against the Suns for proof.
If you're gonna let FVV go anyway why don't you just pick up the option and use him as the salary matching? Then just add Cam and picks to sweeten the deal. I don't see why you'd lose Green, Tari AND Fvv in any scenario.
Whether Tyus Jones is an adequate defender is probably one of the pointless arguments possible on this message board. I think it's interesting though that the Suns brought back basically the same core rotation this season and added Tyus Jones to that group. I personally thought having a true point guard would make them a 2nd-tier contender. Instead that have gone from winning 49 games to a team that is very unlikely to win 40 games this year. The Suns have been the most disappointing team in the NBA apart from the Mavericks whose season was destroyed by a stupid trade and the Mavericks. Several players deserve some blame for the pathetic season the Suns have had but Tyus Jones is part of that. He is the worst defensive player in their rotation and a player that small and unathletic is guaranteed to be a poor defender.
It's an interesting discussion and there are a lot of good posts about the subject. I think Booker is likely the best fit who will be available this summer. I'd much rather Anthony Edwards but I think it's unlikely he'll be available. I don't understand why we would have to let FVV go in this situation. I also don't think we'd need to include Tari Eason. If that's all part of the deal, I wouldn't do that deal. There's also no guarantee those picks will all be lottery picks. A lot can change in 3-4 years. NBA teams that don't control their own picks often find a way to be competitive enough to stay out of the lottery. I think Booker is worth trading for. It's cool that you don't agree. I think the price of what we would have to give up is what is interesting.
Whenever Suns lose and you look at the Suns fans comments, decent size of the blame pie goes to Tyus (fair or not). Bud also had struggles in deciding to benching Tyus or returning him to the starting lineup. This was a bit awkward for Suns/Bud, since Tyus agreed on a vet min, but was likely promised minutes so he can showcase and get a bigger contract (from Suns or a different team). Ironically, in Suns' system, Tyus' ineffectivness is being emphasized to the rest of league. Not all the Suns 's losses is on Tyus, but he has been a non factor in games. For an undersized guard with questionable defense, but can shoot deep, if Rockets get him, is he a different flavor of someone in an Aaron Holiday's role. He can be a backup pg, but I wouldn't sub him as a starter point. Also the vet min agreement was supposed to be temporary, how stubborn is his agent going to be when asking for that next contract's price. I'm not against looking at Tyus, just that the desire of teams wanting him last summer versus now is very different. If people argue a buy low, then maybe.
Tyus is shooting 42% from 3 and 5 ast/1.2 TO Fans who blame him are just wrong IMO. Fans expect a superstar from a vet min player, they are just using him as a scape goat cuz they can't face the reality their team is doomed.
I'm aware of his 3pt%. When people watch Suns games this year, is Tyus really poppin' off. Like I said, I'm not against it, but he's not passing the eye tests for lot of Suns fans.
He is a vet min contract why does he need to pop off? The ones who need to pop off are the ones making a lot of money not him. He is the best vet min contract pg in the league if Suns lose him which pg can they afford who will be better? Tyus would be an awesome upgrade to Aaron Holiday adding him would be a no brainer.
He actually looked indecisive & unsure. Far cry from summer league when people thought he was already taking Jalen's spot in the starting lineup
No. It's not his haircut that makes me think he has high BBIQ. It's because I've seen him play and because recently he put 25 pts on 58% shooting with 5 assists and 3 turnovers against OKC in 31 minutes.
He had ONE good game and hasn't looked good in pretty much any other games. Had this been Cam Whitmore as a rookie you'd be calling him a bust and saying Stone made a mistake. But Reed gets the benefit of doubt because he "looks" like a good guy lol. Must be nice
There is some recency bias. The Rockets would be fortunate to get a 28 year old Booker. Booker is a more established player than Green and he fits the two guard, creator prototype better than Green has so far. Booker is averaging 7 assists per game. Green is nowhere close to this. Booker is also a certified bucket getter who has stepped up in the playoffs. In moving Green, picks and another young player, it frees up minutes for other young players with upside and makes the rotations more manageable. I think there are basketball, team building and cap reasons the Rockets want Booker. I get why they may want to sell on Green since his development tends to be very incremental and he is still pretty erattic. Green's value may never be higher when paired with the Suns picks.
I think you have me mistaken for someone else. I love Cam. No complaints here. I wish he would get more playing time. It’s Jalen Green I worry lacks the BBIQ. Not Cam. Love Cam. and Shephard has looked underwhelming. I admit. But I see progress every game he gets more than garbage time minutes. Most notably against the best team in the West.
Reply: How's my pipe dream looking before the playoffs even start? Would like to bookmark this pre-playoffs. Grizzlies just fired Jenkins even though Morant preferred Jenkins' offense. Expect chaos there with JJJ supermax possibility looming too. Giannis and Lillard rumors starting to swirl due to Lillard injury. Milwaukee not going anywhere and have only 2 guaranteed years for Giannis. If they don't do it this summer, he will have all the leverage after that. This summer is the last time they can expect 4-5 picks or elite young players in exchange for Giannis. No one ever knows who'll be available after the playoffs. There are always new options to acquire after the playoffs that surprise everyone because ESPN acts surprised. Truth is every playoff season breaks someone or something. We're the richest team in the trade market and the #2 seed in the west. We should be picky. Summer is starting to look like a buffet for us. Take it out of file 13 and put it in the bank.
I am more inclined to listen to their differences and little similarities. Always thought Player A is flat out better than P B arguments are simplistic and kill conversations. Jalen Green is still a prospect and far from being a finished product. Booker is a finished product.
