We are not getting Shai unless we draft another Shai. Can't just day dream forever also most of the NBA is a Shai/Jokic/Giannis away from contending. That's not saying much. The players that actually traded (other than the Luka quackery) are the likes of Gobert, Bridges, Fox, KAT etc. they are even lower than Booker tier players. If your players are worth the super max they probably aren't traded unless they are old or super disgruntled somehow.
Devin Booker 3 pt: 34.6% Tyler Herro 3 pt l: 36.9% Devin Booker TS: 59.4% Tyler Herro TS: 59.6% Devin Booker Salary: 56M Tyler Herro Salary: 25M Sounds like you are overrating Booker. You dont even know how Booker is performing you just think he is amazing.
So others made that mistake you want Rockets to make that mistake too? If anything that tells you you dont trade for super maxes who arent that good. And btw Kat is better than Booker. Check out his stats dude has been balling more than Booker.
You aren't getting the point here. I didn't say Rockets should make any trade. But the idea of if you aren't getting a Shai level player then don't trade your picks is not a good argument. KAT was traded because Minny didn't think he was worth the supermax, it's arguable whether he is now. The point is the players that go on the trade market these days are "not worth supermax", Booker fits that category too. If that's the mentality I guess you just sit on the picks and wait for a miracle indefinitely. Picks aren't worth as much as we think they do, OKC have 5 million picks and Luka ended on the Lakers on some shady back end deal.
Cherry picking stats.... Devin Booker best WS 9.2 last season Herro best WS 5.5 this season Devin Booker still has a higher WS this season in a down year.....
Barring getting a Shai/Booker/etc What are our options IF THAT PLAYER IS NOT CURRENTLY ON THIS TEAM I don't see us getting too many Top 10 Picks any time soon I am not interested in being the #14th~20th pick in the draft for the next 10 yrs Right Now - Who on the landscape can push us into contention in the next 5 yrs? Right now - We seem to top out at 5~4th seed with maybe second round exits Rocket River
I I think he confuses pay with performance. In his mind, if a player is overpaid, he can never be underrated. Strange logic.
Teams actually don’t get to be very picky in acquisitions. I don’t even think Booker should be the number one target but let’s not be crazy about how good Booker is.
There are only a handful of teams lucky enough to get a true supermax player. If you are not one of those, there are a few options. 1. Tank and hope to get a high pick for a generational player. Rockets already had that option and we still don't know if we did get one. 2. Luck. Pick in the mid first round and hope you get a Giannis or Jokic. 3. Build a deep team with a lot of very good players including a couple of lower tier stars. The Celtics is arguably that kind of team. The Cavs may also qualify. Teams like the Knicks and the Grizzlies are going that route. Ironically, the Booker-Paul Suns was also that kind of team. I think the #3 option is probably the most doable for most teams, including the Rockets. But it takes a lot of good decisions in draft, trade, and FA signing. It's kind of a fragile thing. But what else can you do if you aren't one of the lucky teams that have the true supermax guys.
I don't know what the answer is. I think the idea was that out of the 4 top 5 picks we got that there's at least a super star in it, but by the looks of it we have none. We have a bunch of really good players with potential, but probably none in the MVP range. So now do we gamble and get a second tier star, or wait and see. The funny thing Booker is currently not even available, Suns seems hell bent on keeping him and building around him.
Their Logic is . . .. its easier to find the guys we have than another Booker The question is . .. would you want one MEGA SUPER DUPER PLAYER and try to build around him or Build a great team and then look for a MEGA SUPER DUPER Player Rocket River
I changed my philosophy after I saw us get the 2 seed this year. We all thought about a consolidation trade for one of the new stars at some point but I found that to be wasteful. I want to win NOW AND LATER. F**k this "awe shucks deez kids get em next year' BS. Obviously, we blew off this year at the deadline. People keep saying stars are going to be available every year. How did that turn out? Traitorous Mavs GM gifted Luka to Lakers, Fox rigged a trade to Spurs. What are the other targets out there that could come here? Don't want Zion, Booker, Ant is not available...so then who? We rented our cap to FVV and Brooks that, although decent, are not worth the squeeze. At the deadline, I wanted us to convert those declining assets into better assets to maintain our young core and expand our window to compete while still maintaining our best assets. We have the young team that does all of the dirty work. You have to have vision and perspective is a hell of a thing. IF we had this team when we traded for Harden, we would have championships by now. If you can go and trade for Durant in the offseason and get him talking to Harden to swing a trade to us this can be a renaissance. In addition to FVV and Brooks maybe you lose Reed and 2025 PHX in the process but you have 2027 PHX and Nets and 2029 Mavs and PHX waiting in the wings to retool. Durant and Harden are going to be looking for final homes as over 38 players. People keep talking like they have all of these options but reality never plays out that way. Harden and Durant now are 80-90% of what they were and the cost reflects that reality. Booker and the others are not as good as them and cost much more. It's that f**king simple.
Booker is highly unlikely to be available. I think we look for the best alternative this summer. I think we kick the tires on LaMelo, Harden and Trae Young. Maybe see if Miami would move Herro or if Philly would move Maxey or maybe even TO with Quickley.
I don’t agree those picks only have value to Phoenix. If the Suns keep Booker, there isn’t a lot they can do to make the team that much better, so the picks will be of good value whether we keep them or trade them to another team. Whoever has those picks it will be worth it.
Without entangling what both of you are saying. Those picks are incredibly value but they are ASTRONOMICALLY valuable to the Suns. If the Suns could reacquire them that is SOME control of their future. Those, to me, are 3 guaranteed lottery picks. However, even to the Suns right now those are like 3 picks each. Until 2032 the Suns have a crappy 2025, 2027, and 2029 pick that will at BEST be bench warmers. Even with high usage those players will be dog ****. Think wider scale...who is going to want to go to that sh1-tshow in FA? Booker, Beal, and whoever replaces KD will be eating up their cap and likely dogging it with injuries. They will go from 2nd apron to vet min and room exception or mid-level exception. To me Ishbia, is going to replace the Stepien rule with the Ishbia Rule that will place a cap on how many picks and swaps you can do consecutively because of the sh1-tshow he created. He has endangered the future of that franchise in PHX in my opinion.
The reasoning is, if the Suns keep Booker, they won't bottom out. Of course the picks have value. But they will be projected to be somewhere in the teens. They won't be top value picks. The only way those picks will turn into top value picks is for Phoenix to tank. But they won't tank unless they get their picks back. This is why the Rockets have been speculated to be the most likely team to land Booker if Phoenix decides to trade him.
I think Lamelo or Maxey would be perfect for this team in terms of talent, fit, and age. There's a lot of discussion around here about just going for it with our picks. I think that rarely works when that player is likely to be your best player and they're already old and expensive. You have a really short window that makes most teams make some short sided decisions. If you get a young star they are still growing and you have time to slow build a contender around them. That's what we did with Harden before or like what OKC did with Shai. I'm in favor of either getting a young star or just making the draft selections ourselves from our picks. Maybe we just continue kicking the can down the road while increasing the draft war chest so we keep draft optionality. People can mention all the misses OKC has had with their picks but eventually, because they kept drafting, they hit on Chet and Jdub. The rockets can do the same thing.
You logic matches my own KD and Harden could get us a championship while transitioning to the next championship contending team Easier to attract talent when you make it to that realm NOW if any top level talent says they want to come here or are available without mortgaging ALL our future . . .sign me up More and More I am thinking Cavs We need to find out Shai . . our Donovan I think the whole squad is in place we just need a squad This is the question Who is that DIAMOND IN THE ROUGH? Trae Young is interesting. Suspect Defense but has proven more resilient than I thought he always looks so frail Maxey is my Dream but you will have to pry him out of Philly's cold dead hands And would cost a Grip because Morey is unrealistic in Traids LaMelo/Quickley/Herro as a teir below those guys but of the three LaMelo makes the best option because he can explode next Rocket River
