its not about effort, bosh gives good effort on D its just that his core too weak even with the added weight this off season he gets out muscled easily by any big men out there... other than maybe anthony randolph.. i mean, its like asking yao trying his hardest to guard lebron on the perimeter not capable
I've been working on this for a while, but I came up with a trade that would probably work between Golden State, Houston, and Toronto. We'd end up having to sign a bunch of league minimum players and have gaping holes or modify the trade a slight bit, but I think that this trade could go down. Just don't say that I didn't warn you of its ugliness. http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5299250 Successful Trade Scenario Congratulations on a successful trade. Due to Toronto, Houston, and Golden State being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Toronto, Houston, and Golden State had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement. By jevjnd2000 at 2009-11-26 By jevjnd2000 at 2009-11-26 By jevjnd2000 at 2009-11-26
That totally guts the team. Hell that is the team. Far to much to give up. I hope I missed the sarcasm
Don't see a Memphis deal working. Bosh isn't going to sign a long term deal with them. He'd wind up walking. He wants to play for a winner. So Memphis says no. Not only that but Rudy Gay? Don't see Toronto wanting him when they've got Hedo and a rookie to play the wing.
He would fit great into Adelman's system. He can spread the floor by shooting the 3 when Yao is out there. He can run like a gazelle. And when Yao is out and Bosh is in the middle, he can work over the 2nd unit in the paint. He's the perfect fit next to Yao in Adelman's system because he is a floor spacer.
What about a deal for Chris Kaman, Landry, our first rounder, and Cook? Kaman could be pried away from the Clippers if we were willing to take back Baron Davis. McGrady, Battier to Clippers. Kaman, Landry, Cook to Toronto. Davis, Camby, Bosh to Houston. Baron is a high price to pay though. However, if I were Morey, it sure would be tempting to get Bosh if Toronto preferred Kaman over Okafor. Another deal where we'd have to sign a swingman or consider trading Lowry for a swingman to balance out our backcourt. Still haven't seen any realistic deals that would give Toronto back more talent than we could give them by giving them Landry plus another talent acquired using McGrady's expiring.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE Stop trying to trade Landry... trade Scola.... Landry is better and younger and Scola has just as much trade value
Before you continue posting this drivel, I'm going to give you a few things to considers (I don't feel like detailing each point....that's something for you to figure out). 1. Why do you think Bosh is that much of an upgrade over Scola/Landry? 2. Pros/Cons of Bosh playing alongside Yao. 3. Historical success of an all-star PF and all-star C playing together. 4. Other Rockets' weaknesses that would be ignored by acquiring Bosh.
How about this trade? Houston Rockets Payroll $83,375,082 Cap Room -$25,675,082 Player Salary PER Being Traded To Chris Bosh$15,779,912$15.7M 22.2 PF6 0 1 Year Being Traded To P. Stojakovic$13,392,000$13.3M 12.5 SF5 0 2 Years Acquiring 2 Players $29,171,912$29.2M Houston Rockets Roster Being Traded To D. Andersen N/AC9 0 Being Traded To Trevor Ariza$5,854,000$5.8M 15.5SF5 0 4 Years Free AgentRestriction Expires: December 15, 2009After a free agent signs with a team, he cannot be traded for 3 months or until December 15, whichever is later. Being Traded To S. Battier$6,939,200$6.9M 10.7SF5 0 2 Years Being Traded To Aaron Brooks$1,118,520$1.1M 12.9PG1 0 2 Years Being Traded To New Orleans Hornets C. Budinger$725,000$725.0K N/ASF5 0 3 Years Being Traded To Brian Cook$3,500,000$3.5M N/APF6 0 1 Year Being Traded To Joey Dorsey$881,000$881.0K N/APF6 0 3 Years Being Traded To Chuck Hayes$2,147,750$2.1M 7.8C9 0 1 Year Being Traded To Carl Landry$3,000,000$3.0M 17.7PF6 0 1 Year Being Traded To Kyle Lowry$2,034,996$2.0M 14.5PG1 0 1 Year Being Traded To New Orleans Hornets T. McGrady$22,843,124$22.8M 16.4SG2 0 1 Year Being Traded To Yao Ming$16,378,325$16.3M 22.7C9 0 2 Years Being Traded To Toronto Raptors Luis Scola$3,284,667$3.2M 17.1PF6 0 1 Year Being Traded To J. Taylor$725,000$725.0K N/AG3 0 3 Years Trade Exceptions R. Alston$1,400,000$1.4M S. Francis$2,634,480$2.6M J. White$825,497$825.4K Hollinger's Analysis: +11 Wins With this trade you have increased this team's projected wins by 11. New Orleans Hornets Payroll $76,132,192 Cap Room -$18,432,192 Player Salary PER Being Traded To T. McGrady$22,843,124$22.8M 16.4 SG2 0 1 Year Being Traded To Toronto Raptors C. Budinger$725,000$725.0K N/A SF5 0 3 Years Acquiring 2 Players $23,568,124$23.6M New Orleans Hornets Roster Being Traded To H. Armstrong$2,801,198$2.8M 10.7C9 0 1 Year Being Traded To Bobby Brown$736,420$736.4K 8.9PG1 0 1 Year No Reacquiring (Minnesota Timberwolves)Restriction Expires: July 01, 2010Teams cannot reacquire a player that they traded during a given season (July 1 - June 30) unless the player has been waived. Being Traded To Devin Brown$1,107,572$1.1M 9.7SG2 0 1 Year Being Traded To D. Collison$1,266,120$1.2M N/AG3 0 2 Years Being Traded To Ike Diogu$825,497$825.4K 20.4PF6 0 1 Year Free AgentRestriction Expires: December 15, 2009After a free agent signs with a team, he cannot be traded for 3 months or until December 15, whichever is later. Being Traded To Sean Marks$825,497$825.4K 8.8PF6 0 1 Year Free AgentRestriction Expires: December 15, 2009After a free agent signs with a team, he cannot be traded for 3 months or until December 15, whichever is later. 1-Year BirdRestriction Expires: July 01, 2010Must receive consent to trade players with a 1-year contract, excluding options, who will become Early Bird or Bird free agents at the end of the contract, or players who have accepted a qualifying offer for a 5th season following the 4th option season on the Rookie Scale. If the player consents, he will lose his Bird rights and become a non-Bird free agent at the end of the contract. Being Traded To Toronto Raptors Emeka Okafor$10,797,500$10.7M 18.0C9 0 5 Years No Reacquiring (Charlotte Bobcats)Restriction Expires: July 01, 2010Teams cannot reacquire a player that they traded during a given season (July 1 - June 30) unless the player has been waived. Being Traded To Chris Paul$13,520,500$13.5M 30.0PG1 0 3 Years Base Year Compensation (BYC)BYC Expires: July 01, 2010 Outgoing Trade Value: $6,760,250If a team is over the Salary Cap and enters into a new player contract with a Bird or Early Bird free agent or an extension of a Rookie Scale Contract, that provides for a salary in the first year of the contract in excess of 120% of the player's salary in the prior season, the player will be subject to a Base Year Compensation. If such a player is traded, his Base Year Compensation will be used instead of his salary for purposes of determining the amount of his Traded Player Exception. The player's Base Year Compensation will equal the greater of the salary for the last season of his preceding Contract, or 50% of the player's then-current salary. Being Traded To M. Peterson$5,800,000$5.8M 10.7SG2 0 2 Years Being Traded To James Posey$6,031,800$6.0M 10.9SF5 0 3 Years Being Traded To D. Songaila$4,526,000$4.5M 13.9FC8 0 2 Years No Reacquiring (Minnesota Timberwolves)Restriction Expires: July 01, 2010Teams cannot reacquire a player that they traded during a given season (July 1 - June 30) unless the player has been waived. Being Traded To Houston Rockets P. Stojakovic$13,392,000$13.3M 12.5SF5 0 2 Years Being Traded To M. Thornton$457,588$457.5K N/AG3 0 2 Years Being Traded To David West$9,075,000$9.0M 19.0PF6 0 3 Years Being Traded To J. Wright$2,000,040$2.0M 12.7SF5 0 2 Years Trade Exceptions R. Butler$4,045,000$4.0M T. Chandler$902,500$902.5K A. Daniels$2,074,000$2.0M Hollinger's Analysis: -6 Wins With this trade you have decreased this team's projected wins by 6. Toronto Raptors Payroll $68,969,475 Cap Room -$11,269,475 Player Salary PER Being Traded To Emeka Okafor$10,797,500$10.7M 18.0 C9 0 5 Years Being Traded To New Orleans Hornets Luis Scola$3,284,667$3.2M 17.1 PF6 0 1 Year Acquiring 2 Players $14,082,167$14.1M Toronto Raptors Roster Being Traded To Marcus Banks$4,553,793$4.5M 7.8PG1 0 2 Years Being Traded To A. Bargnani$6,527,491$6.5M 14.7FC8 0 6 Years Poison Pill Provision (PPP)PPP Expires: July 01, 2010 Outgoing Trade Value: $6,527,491A player who signs an extension that is to begin the following season has what's known as a "poison pill" contract. He can no longer be traded for a player making equal money. Instead, his current salary is averaged along with the salaries he is to receive in his extension, and that average becomes his incoming salary for trade purposes. Being Traded To M. Belinelli$1,547,640$1.5M 11.9SG2 0 2 Years No Reacquiring (Golden State Warriors)Restriction Expires: July 01, 2010Teams cannot reacquire a player that they traded during a given season (July 1 - June 30) unless the player has been waived. Being Traded To Houston Rockets Chris Bosh$15,779,912$15.7M 22.2PF6 0 1 Year Being Traded To J. Calderon$8,219,009$8.2M 18.8PG1 0 4 Years Being Traded To D. DeRozan$2,282,640$2.2M N/AF7 0 2 Years Being Traded To Reggie Evans$4,960,000$4.9M 10.4PF6 0 2 Years Being Traded To Jarrett Jack$5,000,000$5.0M 13.1G3 0 4 Years Free AgentRestriction Expires: December 15, 2009After a free agent signs with a team, he cannot be traded for 3 months or until December 15, whichever is later. Being Traded To Amir Johnson$3,941,667$3.9M 13.6PF6 0 1 Year No Reacquiring (Milwaukee Bucks)Restriction Expires: July 01, 2010Teams cannot reacquire a player that they traded during a given season (July 1 - June 30) unless the player has been waived. Being Traded To P. Mensah-Bonsu$825,497$825.4K 14.5C9 0 1 Year Free AgentRestriction Expires: December 15, 2009After a free agent signs with a team, he cannot be traded for 3 months or until December 15, whichever is later. Being Traded To R. Nesterovic$1,990,000$1.9M 14.2C9 0 1 Year Free AgentRestriction Expires: December 15, 2009After a free agent signs with a team, he cannot be traded for 3 months or until December 15, whichever is later. Being Traded To P. O'Bryant$855,189$855.1K 11.9C9 0 1 Year Being Traded To H. Turkoglu$9,000,000$9.0M 14.8SF5 0 5 Years Free AgentRestriction Expires: December 15, 2009After a free agent signs with a team, he cannot be traded for 3 months or until December 15, whichever is later. Being Traded To Sonny Weems$736,420$736.4K N/ASG2 0 2 Years No Reacquiring (Denver Nuggets)Restriction Expires: July 01, 2010Teams cannot reacquire a player that they traded during a given season (July 1 - June 30) unless the player has been waived. No Reacquiring (Milwaukee Bucks)Restriction Expires: July 01, 2010Teams cannot reacquire a player that they traded during a given season (July 1 - June 30) unless the player has been waived. Being Traded To A. Wright$1,800,000$1.8M 8.6SF5 0 1 Year No Reacquiring (Dallas Mavericks)Restriction Expires: July 01, 2010Teams cannot reacquire a player that they traded during a given season (July 1 - June 30) unless the player has been waived. Trade Exceptions J. Kapono$1,144,480$1.1M J. Moon$711,517$711.5K W. Solomon$722,517$722.5K Hollinger's Analysis: -10 Wins With this trade you have decreased this team's projected wins by 10.
Sorry about that guys. It didn't come out the way i meant it to. Here's the breakdown. Rockets Outgoing: Tracy McGrady Chase Dudinger Luis Scola Rockets Incoming: Chris Bosh Peja Stojakovic New Olreans Outgoing: Omeka Okufor Peja Stojakovic New Orleans Incoming: Tracy McGrady Chase Budinger Toronto Outgoing: Chris Bosh Toronto Incoming: Omeka Okufor Luis Scola According the Trade Machine this trade will give us an 11 win improvement over the current roster. I know Peja is no longer that good of a player plus he has a large contract but let's be realistic, the Rockets will have to get back a bad contract because of the size of McGrady's contract. I think both Toronto and New Orleans would bite, not too sure about the Rockets because of Stojakovic's contract.
Not trying to trade Landry. Would prefer to trade Scola. But reality is Landry has more trade value than Scola right now and that is who teams are going to ask for. Landry is younger, and he is more efficient. Scola is a pending free agent, fixing to get a salary of between $25 mill to $40 over 4-5 years. Landry has another year left at $3 million before he becomes a free agent. Landry is the better value and is the player that teams are going to ask for.
1. He is taller, has more range, and is a better defender than either one. Landry is a terrible defender. Scola is an average defender. Neither one of them can shoot from 3. 2. Pros-He spreads the floor better than either Scola/Landry. He can dribble drive and finish above the rim, something Landry can do near the basket, and something Scola does below the basket. Bosh can drive it in from the perimeter and slam it down without drawing the offensive foul. Also, he is rangier, when Yao is on the bench, he can be the fast 5 that runs with the 2nd unit. 3. Kareem/Worthy(pretty close to Yao/Bosh); Bird/McHale/Parish. 4. Our greatest weakness is a legit big man that can both score and be a defensive presence in the paint.
I'm curious as to why you think Scola is only an average defender. Secondly, I'd rather my PF try to get offensive rebounds as opposed to hanging around the 3 pt line. Thirdly, he shot 24.5% from the 3 pt line last year. That's not very good. No cons? How about the fact that if he plays alongside Yao, both their production will go down, especially Bosh's. If Yao starts playing limited (~30) mpg, it makes sense for the Rockets to milk him for those 30 min. Also, I want to point out that in the past 2 seasons, Bosh did not shoot above 50% from the field which is something Scola did in both seasons. Furthermore, Scola has proven that he's capable of playing the running game as well. Yes, these were successful teams, but in your honest opinion, are these examples relevant? Do we have one of the best centers of all time? Do we have the best PG of all time? Do we have the best SF of all time? And he'll be back next year. Bringing in a serviceable backup center (along the lines of a Gortat-type player) will improve this team far more than trading for Bosh.
You guys that are against pursuing Bosh, what do you suggest the Rockets do to get better? Name other players they should go after. Don't bother bringing up LeBron or Wade. Don't say you want them to tank this season and try to draft John Wall. Don't tell me Yao's return will solve everything because it won't. I'd like to know if you have a better plan.
First of all, there's nothing wrong with tanking to acquire a potential franchise player. Secondly, we shouldn't make a move (i.e. acquiring Bosh) just for the sake of making a move. Kevin Martin? Joe Johnson? A serviceable backup C?
How does tanking allow the Rockets to acquire a franchise player? Explain that one to me. Of the boatload of teams that have tanked the last 10 years, how many of them got a franchise player because they tanked the season? Very very few. Nobody is saying make a move for the sake of making a move. Bosh isn't a franchise player like the Big 3, but is injury-prone Kevin Martin? No. Is Joe Johnson? No. JJ turned down 5yrs/$80MM from the Hawks. Is he worth more than that to the Rockets? But at least I can accept that JJ might be a better option than Bosh. Agree with you on the backup C, but the Rockets need a lot more than that. They need a dynamic/versatile swing player that can score when the going gets tough. The wheels come off the motion offense when good defensive teams tighten the screws because nobody can dribble except Brooks and/or Lowry.
Here's the questions. What players are going to potentially be available that we can trade for that would be better than Bosh or Chris Paul? I don't see them. Amare may have been available if PHX imploded to start the season but they are in playoff mode. Dont' see him being available and don't think he's better than Bosh anyways. Washington is likely wanting to blow out Arenas and possibly Jamison/Caron, etc. since they stink so bad. But are any of those guys better than Chris Bosh? I don't see it. Memphis has no one. They're looking to blow out Zach and Jaric for expirings/young talent/draft picks if they can. Are they going to give up Mayo just to get rid of Zach/Marko? Nope. Indy? Are they going to move Granger with Dunleavy/Murphy...and is Granger better than Bosh or Paul? Nope. Clippers.....Bardon Davis/Chris Kaman...not better than Bosh. The rookie from Oklahoma....they're not trading him. GS.....Monta/Biedrins/Maggette....better than Bosh...............fail. Knicks......nothing Nets.....nothing The short list of players that would potentially be better than Bosh..... Kobe Lebron DWade Dwight Chris Paul Brandon Roy Melo Deron Williams Garnett Duncan Now there may be some as good as Bosh, the questionables Amare Gilbert Rondo Pao etc etc etc So, the point is....if the rumor is true that there may be a player available that is better than Chris Bosh........there's not too many players that we could be talking about. I believe that rumor (stupid me). I think the player that may be available is Chris Paul. When you look at the list of players that are better, not too many of them are going to be available. When you look at the list of players that MAY be as good as Bosh...not too many of them are going to be available. Next point: IF you cannot see that Bosh is a significant upgrade and a top 15 player in the league, then I don't have anything to say to you. If you continue to try to make the argument that he is not a significant upgrade over Scola/Landry.....then you are probably the same person that doesn't believe that Chris Paul would be a significant upgrade over Brooks/Lowry. I like all 4 players....Scola/Landry/Brooks/Lowry........A LOT! But I would trade some combination of them for either Bosh or Paul in a heartbeat!
That need disappates when you have a point like Chris Paul that can get his shot anytime he wants it and can get anybody else practically any shot they want.
