Yeah I don't think that money equation is the right way to look at this situation. The important thing, for me, is Morey's assertion that the Rockets will go over the lux tax line for the "right player" - that is, one that puts the Rockets into true contention for the championship. So the question is whether adding Bosh (while trading away a few players), re-signing Lowry and Scola, and going deep into the lux tax is enough to give Houston a real chance at the ring. If the answer is yes, Morey and Alexander are going to go for it IMO.
Thats a silly way to classify it. -Is 9 million more a year worth it to get into the penalty earlier? -Is 9 million more a year worth it to have another player who consistantly draws double teams? -Is 9 million more a year worth it to add a more versatile offensive player?
I know that is an odd way of looking at it, but that is exactly what Morey is going to have to do. He has to figure out how to get a balanced lineup, within the confines of the salary cap. Look at how having 2 max players has handicapped the Rockets, they tried to fill in the rest with minimum players, and when the big dogs went out, they really had no chance. So, when you get someone like Bosh, and have to pay him 20 million a year, you danged well better be getting Lebron like performance out of him, and if not then he is not worth it, IMO. Chris Paul however (if he is over his injuries) might be, because he makes other people better....at least a lot more than Bosh does. So, I am not against getting a high salaried guy, but you have to manage the cap and be able to retain the guys on your team that are growing into bigger roles, and when their contracts are up, you need to be able to pay them too. DD
This is a great way to look at it and I'm more on this side of this. I like bosh, but much like yao,tracy,and pau, he's not an alpha dog. Not only that, I don't think a 20 minute per game yao bound to go down at anytime is not a contender. Now if we could resign scola and trade yao for bosh and still develop hill, i could see that much better and more beneficial. I think the rockets are in trouble big time.
Well, both are good, but if we can't get either... I say we go with a vet with experience and connections.... Paul Bosh.
I disagree with the idea that Bosh is not an alpha dog. He is an alpha dog right now that puts up great numbers. Granted his teams have been mediocre but I would argue those teams were flawed in what they put around him (crappy defense) and overall talent. Hedo being the best player he has ever played with (unless I am forgetting someone). I can see Bosh being our guy, especially if we can get him for mostly picks and leave most of our depth intact.
My view of him is higher than most on this board. I think he is a helluva player and probably top 7, but he's not an alpha dog. He's just an amazing player, but not a leader of men. When you pay that kind of money, you not only want the player to excel, but you want that guy to demand certain things from the others. I'm not saying its his fault, i'm just saying its not in his personality. If you're considered a franchis player, you should be able to take garbage and make the playoffs especially when it only requires a .500 record. No matter who is coaching or playing with you. Not only that, they have some decent talent.
There's a word for that: it's called drafting well. You get the star players on your team and you continue to add to your team through the MLE and draft. When your rookies contract run up, you have their bird rights / they are restricted FAs. Meaning, we can easily retain them as they grow into "bigger roles". With the Rockets recent history in the draft, I'd feel pretty good about our ability to continue to build upon a Bosh foundation.
Here is something kinda obscure but here goes: Rockets trade 2011 #1, Ariza, Battier to Memphis for Gasol and a signed Rudy Gay Rockets trade 2010 #1 (Assume it's top 3), Scola, and Jeffries to Toronto for Bosh Lineup Yao/Gasol Bosh/Hill Gay/Budinger Martin/Taylor Brooks/Lowry Wishful thinking? Totally unrealistic? Just wondering!
I rather have Chris Bosh. We have a good pg in Brooks and having Bosh along with a healthy Yao would be great. Then just bring Scola off the bench IF we didnt have to include him in a trade I like Chris Paul and think he is wonderful but I'm good with keeping AB if it meant getting Bosh
CP3 by mile, I do not care about Bosh being a big man or getting more rebounds, or even overall . Paul is the way to go, like Ron Paul. Chris Paul is well on his way to being one of the greatest point guards ever. The guy brings everything to the table, above average defense; great passer; great outside shooter; good rebounder for his position; run the offense; outstanding scorer; and most of all a player can push a team beyond its limits (07-08 Hornets). His team (who challenged for #1 seed until the last day of the season) almost knock off the defending NBA Champions with roster that does not look any better than your average East Coast team. Speaking of the East Coast, how have the Raptors being doing for the last five seasons, especially the ones where they did not have Sam Mitchell. Chris Bosh is a very good player, been over 20 points and 10 rebounds for three out of the last four season. What troubles me about Bosh is what Charles Barkley said about Dirk Nowitzki, the other night on Inside the NBA, after the Mavs went down to the Spurs. It's a certain troubling sign. Put that with his average defense and what Shaq called him, "the Rupaul of Big men." Remember that he has never said that about, Dirk, Tim Duncan, Yao Ming, or the AB (Andrew Bogut and Andrew Bynum). We've got enough scorers and offense on this team, now we need someone who can play defense in the paint and block shots. If we end up with Bosh, I still do not see how that makes us contender, especially if he becomes our main guy (after giving up a few pieces, which may include Brooks, Scola, Hayes, #1 pick, Martin, and Battier). I'm pretty sure Toronto is not going to take on a crummy deal, like New York did. Especially, when they were rumors of Andrew Bynum (another player who might consider over Bosh), out of there and teams that can offer multiple starters (some of whom are borderline all-stars) with more money in the bank. Most of all, the Bosh deal would be even more devastating, if Yao goes down. If Bosh is our main guy without Yao Ming and other pieces (Scola, Brooks, Martin, and #1 pick). We are going to be even more doomed to first round exits and a team that will never truly be a contender. People are too obsessed with numbers, fantasy stating lineups, and flavor of the month deals. Some lineups look fantastic on paper, but when you really analyze how the team might play together as unit. You see a troubling outlook, especially a number of Dallas Maverick teams or the Golden State Warriors. If you look at what Chris Paul has or had in New Orleans vs. what Chris Bosh has (or had) in Toronto. The teams are fairly evenly matched in talent, taking away the superstar player. This season alone (09-10), Paul's team almost won as many games as the Raptors did with Paul only playing 45 games and being in the Western Conference. Only separated by 3 wins, while his team tended to win more often when he was not injured. Chris Paul is the certainly the better winner of the two. If he can win with a team like this: http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NOH/2008.html Imagine what he could do with our teams and pieces, especially being paired with possibly Kevin Martin, Yao Ming, and Trevor Ariza. He would compliment our players much more than Bosh. Also, I think realistically he might even be cheaper and more attainable than Bosh.
cant trade consecutive draft picks cannot package scola since he is a RFA in a trade but no I would not want that lineup at all Gay is going ask for waaaaaaay more money that he is worth and given your scenario of landing a 2010 top 3 pick why even trade that? this is a deep draft I would rather keep scola, jeffries, wall/turner/cousins over getting Bosh
Amen...similar quality supporting cast, check what CP3 was able to do with his team, and check what Bosh was able to do with Toronto....I guess Bosh would have very hard time finding an excuse for that.... However, keep it inside this forum, let other teams give away a lot of assets with Bosh, and try to take advantage of Collison blossoming this season, to get a chance at getting CP3.... Offering KMart+sweetener could do the trick, even in the extrem case, the sweetener could be Brooks (with his MIP is currently at his peak trade value, he should be traded before next season, where such trade value could begin to decline, I see it difficult to get another NBA award next season)
Sorry to dig this up but instead of crying and saying Scola > Bosh let's talk about being predatory on the Hornets. Chris Paul and Omeka Okafor...... Get it done Morey!
