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Chris Bosh is becoming a role player

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by abc2007, Nov 5, 2010.

  1. NBA_Elite

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    Bosh is knocking down wide open threes in Miami. Is this his new role? :confused:

    I guess that's why he can't get any rebs... he stays near the perimeter all the time.
     
  2. JayGoogle

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    What do you call a Power Forward averaging less than 8rpg?

    A Small Forward :p
     
  3. Corpusfan

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    And you're surprised? Were you expecting all three to put up big numbers every night? Something had to give. He knew this going in. If Wade or James gets hurt, I'm sure his numbers will improve.
     
  4. Jontro

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    At first I read this thread title as "...becoming a role model" and I was about to protest

    and then I reread it

    and I lol'd.
     
  5. Angkor Wat

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    Well, this is what needs to happen for the Heat to be successful. Somebody had to take a back seat with these 3 on the floor. Bosh is that guy. I don't get why everybody is ripping him. The most important thing is that they're winning and haven't fell flat on their face like everyone hopes.
     
  6. Stepping Razor

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    Holy crap that's pretty damn funny lol !!
     
  7. StanleyHartwell

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    Well, there is a reason that Kobe does not handle the ball more often. That is because he is a ****ty passer. To disregard selection effects and interpolate linearly to say he's going to have Lebron type assist number if only he has the ball more in his hands is such a stupid argument.

    And for the record, many people think Kobe has two rings. Certainly the number of rings Kobe has is not universally determined. If you come to Boston, you will know that people here believe Kobe only has one ring.

    Which is about right to me.
     
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    lol so much hate, five ring is five rings, and Kobe is not a horrible passer, actually well above average for shooting guard, i'd take kobe's passing over pierce's anyday
     
  9. goodbug

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    Kobe averaged career high in assists number in 04-05, when he had nobody to pass to. The only reason was that Rudy was the coach for half a season and they played P&R as the main offense. Of course it's beyond your intelligence to understand the difference between triangle and a PG dominant P&R offense. In triangle, role players have way more touches, although they don't necessarily take more shots.

     
  10. clippy

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    Yes, he also averaged a career high TOs, had a horrible AST/TO ratio, and shot the worst percentage of his career outside of his first two years. This is what happens when you are the "man"... your scoring may go up but efficiency goes down. Yet when Lebron was "the man" his efficiency was sky-high. So you can't have it both ways.
     
  11. wikiwiki

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    lmfao at "not universally determined"


    hahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahhaha,,,,, :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:


    That is such a hater thing to say. The man has a ring on each finger, dumbass, that's as universally determined as you can get.
     
  12. wikiwiki

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    5-2 is pretty much as flat on their face as could be hoped for with 3 in-their-prime "superstars" on one team.
     
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    Well, since you dare bringing up 04-05, lets see. A measly 6.0 APG with a seasonal averag 4.09 TO, leading to an assist-to-turnover ratio of 1.5.

    If this is not the definition of a ****ty passer. I don't know what is.

    Of course, I can also repeat ad infinitum how Lebron led a comparative Cavs to the finals and no.1 regular season place, etc. But I know it's a waste of time with you with your level of understanding.

    btw, triangle offense does bias one's assist number downwards. However, to say that Kobe being a bad passer is certainly not based only on the assist statistics. It's obvious to the naked eye of anyone who watches the game. And btw, don't compare your intelligence with me, it's kind of an insult to me.
     
  14. StanleyHartwell

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    I'm sorry. It's not universally determined.

    It's a very easy proposition to prove.
     
  15. goodbug

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    So in your logic LeBron James is having 7.9/4.7 = 1.68 ratio in the arguably the most talent team in modern ear, that made him a complete joke passer too.

    Whoever really watches the game, knows Kobe's a better reader of defense. And the players survey agreed Kobe's has a higher basketball IQ than LeBron. Kobe didn't wear a T-Shirt to promote "$tats", he has bigger fish to fry, as he's proved many times. I won't compare your intelligence to mine, as it's obviously you are in your own special league.

     
  16. goodbug

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    It's the complete change of roster, and change of the offense, and they had coach replaced in mid-season. It takes time to get familiar with new offense. See what LeBron's doing right now.

     
  17. StanleyHartwell

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    Nice try to compare one statistic based on a sample size of 7 to another based on a sample size of 82. Shows your intelligence. As to "special league" etc, if phd at ivy league compared to whatever (insert adj.) school you go to means i belong to a special league, then you are probably right.
     
  18. StanleyHartwell

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    Kobe Bryant has certainly matured and improved his reading on the court over the years. I'll give you that.
     
  19. goodbug

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    Your intelligence is truly based on what you believe. You admit triangle doesn't help individual assists number and insists LeBron's a better passer without any solid proof.

    If that's how your take your Phd I am sure if that's permanent head damage.

     
  20. Octavianus

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    Food Goodbug

    http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post/_/id/883/lebron-turnovers-down-comfort-level-up

    LeBron: turnovers down, comfort level up

    IAMI -- Perhaps it was the playful barbs he shouted at Miami Heat teammate Dwyane Wade during Wade's interview session with reporters after Monday's practice. Or maybe it was the way he sat in a corner hounding rookie center Dexter Pittman about his poor passing ability during a drill. By the time LeBron James started to loudly complain about the falling temperatures in Miami, it was obvious.

    King James seems to be finding his comfort zone again -- on and off the court.

    Privately, James hasn't had an easy transition in his move to Miami after he spent the first seven seasons of his NBA career with the Cleveland Cavaliers. But publicly, James is finally starting to let his headband down and loosen up a bit. And it's beginning to show on the basketball court, too.

    After opening the season mired in a turnover-riddled slump through his first five games, James has strung together consecutive outings in which his turnovers were relatively down while his assists -- and overall productivity -- were up.

    James said he's “absolutely” been more comfortable and confident in his role over the past three games.

    James has 55 assists and 33 turnovers through the first seven games of the season. But the past three games have shown drastic improvement in his mastermind-to-miscue production as the Heat's de facto point guard. During a three-game stretch that included Tuesday's win over Minnesota, Friday's loss at New Orleans and Saturday's victory against New Jersey, James tallied 31 assists compared with only eight turnovers.

    “I wasn't worried about those first couple of … high-turnover games,” said James, who had 25 turnovers and 24 assists in Miami's first four games. “Early on, am I trying to learn my teammates? Yeah. It's just getting comfortable with one another. Me and (Dwyane Wade), in the first games, we had some plays when I thought he was going back door and he stayed at the three-point line. We haven't had those plays in a while because we're learning each other.”

    There's a strong sense that the chemistry level with James has grown beyond Wade as the Heat prepare for the second game of a six-game homestand Tuesday against the Utah Jazz. In the past three games, James has executed lob passes for dunks to Chris Bosh and has consistently found James Jones for open 3-pointers. James has even increased the degree of difficulty in those connections with Wade, as evidenced by a nifty, behind-the-back pass to Wade to complete a fast break against the Nets.

    “I was at a point when I was averaging nine turnovers a game, so I'm cracking down,” James said, inflating his turnover rate. “Once you stop turning the ball over and get more shots at the goal, you see the assists get high and the turnovers go down.”

    Heat teammates said breakdown sessions during film study have shown that James was not as responsible for as many of the turnovers as the box scores have indicated.

    “It's really not been all his fault,” forward Udonis Haslem said. “Some of his turnovers, you can't really put that all on him -- even though he was the guy that made the pass. Guys have been bobbling balls, some balls have dropped through some guys' hands. It's just miscommunication. As everybody gets more comfortable, that has helped LeBron get more comfortable as well.”

    But before there was comfort, there was accountability. The trend for James started to turn in a more positive direction after he met with coach Erik Spoelstra recently to discuss ways to limit mistakes and put himself in more advantageous spots on the floor.

    “You will continue to see him get more comfortable with our system, but more importantly with tendencies of other guys,” Spoelstra said. “He's a high I.Q. player, and it doesn't take much for a guy like him to figure it out. He also knows, like everybody, how important it is philosophically for us to be efficient and hold each other accountable.”
     

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