Less touches does not = less rebounds. He's averaging 6 boards a game and had 1 rebound in 33 minutes tonight. Garbage.
Seriously. How do you even pull off a 1 reb night as a PF? I mean... just by chance, wouldn't a few more bounce in your vicinity?
it's hard to defend that. but he's always involved in pick and rolls, and most teams use him in HIGH pick and rolls so he is out of the paint quite often in the first 5-6 games. so it's hard for him to come back, box out, and get boards. he is a very good rebounder. he'll be fine. remember, he's never played this intense of a D before in his career. it's a new role, on both ends for bosh.
its just a matter of role and system, I remember people loved to compare kobe and lebron's stats to say that lebron was better, noe hes about a 23-6-6 guy, if lebron played on a stacked team like this eh wouldnt have those record breaking stats, if kobe hadnt playedi wht smush and kwame that year he woudlnt have taht 35 ppg... people love to compare stats head to head, when there are way to many factors(system, offense, tempo, possesions, useage) that determine the statistics of a player Now people could see bosh and say he sucks now, or is just a role player, od someone like david lee, or emeka okafor or whoever you want to take with stats is better, but fact is its just what the system allows him to have at this point same with all of those saying man lbj is way better than kobe 30-7-7 you kidding me? well kobe was playing in a triangle equal opportunity offense while lebron had a drive and kick offense just built for him....thats just the way stats work last year chris bosh was 20-10 one of the best young pf in the game and now hes at 13-6/7 which i think will go up but it will still be limited bc of his situation, it doesnt mean hes not capable, he just has a different role
Chris Paul (6'0) is averaging 6.3 rpg Bosh (6'11) is averaging 6.4 rpg and chris paul got one rebound more in the game. so, like I said in the other thread, Chris Bosh is the most overrated player.
kobe played in ONE offensive system the last decade. equal offense? check his usage ratings. this is a huge adjustment offensively for both bron and bosh b/c not only are they learning a new system, but they are learning to share the ball with TWO other stars who are elite scorers. THINK ABOUT THAT. secondly, lebron is playing PG basically 80% of the time and still trying to be aggressive. that is completely different from playing with cleveland where he still thinks score first. hence, he is always in the middle of the floor where the defense can focus on him (hence his lack of ft attempts). check their stats in december and get back at all of us. remember how tracy averaged just 19 points per game his first month playing with yao and in a slower system? ADJUSTMENTS people. playing with 2 stars and new roles do take time. these guys are great, but they aren't gods. i know clutchfans only look at a small sample size, but jeez.
Very good points, only idiots believe LeBron will average triple double in Heat, of course they pretend they never talked about that now.
Bosh will adjust. Right now it's more important that LeBron and Wade figure things out. After those two develop enough chemistry, the Heat will make Bosh's role a priority. I think his rebounding stats are lower because he isn't involved enough in the offense and it's affecting his effort level on the boards. Remember, this is the first time in his career that Bosh isn't the primary option and he's been pushed down to #3 behind a couple of supreme offensive players. If he doesn't wimp out, I expect Bosh to be somewhere between 16/11 and 18/12 by the end of the season. He will also be very efficient. But right now for the Heat (on offense) it's all about developing the Big Two and winning games. Bosh is a very good player, but I guess it's a revelation for some here how much more talented LeBron and Wade are and that Bosh actually has to make the biggest adjustment of the three.
usage ratings calculate how many times you shoot the ball and turn it over. Does it count how long you hog the ball? LeBron dribbled 23 seconds and passed to a teammate for a contested 3pt jumper, it doesn't affect his usage number. But if the teammate happened to hit it, his assist number will increase. Too bad there's no number for assist attempts like FGA stat. In triangle, the offense doesn't always start with the ball in Kobe's hand, 1/3 of the time at most. It's 2/3 of the time for LeBron in Cavs, of course he's gonna get more assists, but the assists number of the team is not as good as Lakers' .
yes, all stats are created to harm kobe bryant and make lebron look great, you figured it out. leborn actually gets assists by just throwing terrible bail out passes to covered teammates over and over again while kobe just creates beautiful shots for everyone time and again, probably only throwing 6.1 passes for his 6 assists per game. unfortunately for you, none of that is true and last season there was actually a thread about where people get their assists on the floor, with right under the basket and 3's being the two most efficient shots you could create. of all the guys in the top 10, who had the highest percentage of his assists in those 2 areas? why, lebron james, that ball hog who hurts his team with his 60 TS% and his large percentage of assists to the best spots on the floor. but i bet lebron just paid those guys off or there's some great reason why lebron still sucks at passing and why his usage rate is grossly misunderstated while kobe's is overstated and lebron is just a ballhog and kobe is a happy-go-lucky, get everyone involved great teammate.
Not really, there's this one stat, 5:0 for rings. The truth is LeBron makes his teammates worse. From Hughes, Wally to Shaq, Jamison, they all came from borderline all star to scrubs after playing with LeBron. And I wonder why now LeBron has support, his number is down to earth.
jason Kidd plays in the high post 100% of the time...hell, he's a freaking pg! And he gets more rebs than Bosh.
All those players were washed up when they come to the Cav's. So from you view, Wade is scrub, now that he has Lebron on the team?
How? Hughes was in all defensive team, 22ppg, Shaq was 18/8, west all star, Jamison was 20/10 before the trade. You can argue those numbers were inflated, but they're far from washed up. This question is irrelevant now, as it's Wade's team.
Bosh signed up to be a role player. He had the chance to be they guy on other teams. But he knew he wasn't good enough to be the man, so now he's a good compliment . When Wade or LeBron get hurt his numbers will spike, but when they're healthy he's gonna get 15-17 a game, although there's no excuse for his lousy rebounding.
Well its interesting most of them stayed in Cleveland only a few years but became washed up even after they left Cleveland. Are you saying playing with lebron ruined them for life?
