Texas is different in that it is part of the law. In Virginia there is no such law but there is a federal law against guns in a school zone. This act has little teeth because Utal allows guns on campus. Virginia Tech makes it school policy even though there is no state law.
How many of those raped were males? What's the ratio of Male to Female of CHL? Couldn't you argue that the number of rape victims could potentially rise, as more guns would be available on campus?
Mace and Tasers . . . . .etc Since most rapes on College campuses are Acquantence rape . . . I think the potential rapist is already too close Rocket River
I think you make a valid point in that the best way to make a safe society is to have laws, law enforcement, and penalty for breaking the law. However this system, even as fast a the first responders are, is not able to defend everyone at all times. So although it is not the overall strategy, it is an important one.
The argument could easily be shot down if you compared the % of rapist who where CHL holders to those who are not.
Maybe self-defence (in Britain) isn't paramount, but self-defense (in America) is. The police do not defend individuals. They catch criminals after they commit crimes, and if they do a good job, provide a deterrent to crime. The SCOTUS has consistently ruled to that effect, most recently in Castle Rock v. Gonzales.
Then I agree, the law should be repealed, and the decision left to the individual school administrators.
Wow. How can you defend a school president or board of regent making decisions about state property? I firmly believe the decision is in the states hands.
They make hundreds of decisions about state property every day. I don't see how this one is any different.
that have to be approved by the state. You want to give them total power. I agree that is the best way for private schools, but I think state schools must follow the laws.
My alma mater is part of the Texas State University System. If I want something changed that does not require new state funds and is not illegal, it must be approved by the University Board of Regents, and possibly the TSUS Board of Regents. Both of these can be removed by the State. That is the way it works, and it generally works pretty well. We give a lot of government officials "total control" over small parts of the bureaucracy. Then we retain the right to remove them if we don't like their decisions. That's the way a republic works.
Well if the law section that makes it illegal for a CHL holder to carry on campus is removed the University really has little power to say otherwise.
Not really. You're advocating to allow guns on campus, and citing rape numbers as evidenced why we need them. You're acting like only women will be carrying the guns, which is far from the truth - they will be the minority who holds them. It's a valid argument that you basically have no counter for. Saying, "well CHL aren't normally rapist" doesn't hold up.
No it is not a valid argument. Women are easily raped because men are stronger, not because men have more guns.
Guns play a part in some rapings, it would be silly to look past that. I think tasers and the like would be more effective in cutting down the number of rapes on campus. Women are much more likely to carry a taser or mace. I don't really buy your argument that allowing guns on campus would help that problem. Personally, I would feel uncomfortable if I looked around my classroom and saw students with guns.
What college campus is this that you speak of? I have never been to a college campus where I didn't feel safer on campus than off. I have worked at and attended 5 different college campuses in Texas alone. I work at UH now. UH is FAR safer than the surrounding area and I know that the day they allow guns on campus is the day I stop going to work. The reason is because college is a stressful place and I am in a position of authority where I have to tell people that I am ending their education at that institution. I have seen people get VERY upset in my office. My fear is that if they had a gun with them they would do something rash. I do not want to be caught in that situation (and to head off a really stupid argument that is probably coming) despite the fact that I know how to use a gun and could carry one myself if the law were passed to allow them on campus. It is just a really bad idea. It is the same reason they don't allow guns at the courthouse or polling places. Stress runs high, emotions get out of control. That plus a gun is a bad idea.
Its not silly if making decisions based on majority of cases. You would not see any guns. If you did that would not be concealed and would be illegal. Even someone telling you they have a gun could be considered brandishing. For tasers, no one is scared of a taser. Pulling a taser won;t freeze an attacker, and they are less accurate than a gun. Also since the taser is quite expensive per shot, it is highly unlikely that a person using one would ever practice. Tasers have their place, and that is mainly for law enforcement (who use firearms when their life is in danger).
What keeps a student from carrying a gun on UH? No metal detectors, pat downs or anything. Do you think a person who is acting crazy and wants revenge would be swayed by the fact it is illegal to carry the gun on the property in which they want to kill you? I guess what I am asking is your belief is that if CHL holders where allowed to carry that it would increase the danger of being kill by a crazy person?
You think the only way to stop people with guns is to have a gun yourself. I don't agree with the "fight guns with guns" argument - I think we just have a simple disagreement at the core of this issue.
