Chinese Virologist post report claiming virus made in Wuhan lab

I'm with you. People lump in buying into outlandish conspiracies with independent critical thinking. Question anything and you're considered a tin foil hat wearing nutcase.

I'm hearing a lot of "China is smart and if they wanted to unleash a biomedical weapon they could've unloaded a much deadlier one." Of course they could have but then that would have been a lot more obvious wouldn't it? China played this beautifully - it was strategy. They unleashed just the right amount of damage (more economic than physical), at the just the right time (election year) and with just enough nuance to where it is difficult to point the finger at them. China was also confident with the bipartisan strife here in the USA that whatever Trump did to address the disease would be ripped to shreds (whether rightfully so or not). I am not committed to the idea that it was lab created and unleashed intentionally, but it's not absurd to think about that and consider it as possible.

It's not wild conspiracies folks, it's using your brain and thinking critically. You can make up your own mind, but don't discount the people that question things.

 

#dementia99ers

 

No. You don’t ever know what started it. The comic writer joked it was alien spores, but walked it back. The CDC was trying to find a cure. Eugene made up all the stuff about weaponized diseases.

sorry, bored and I’ve been binging the series lol

 

so-called "Wuhan virus" back in the news

'Ex-CDC director says he believes coronavirus originated in Wuhan lab":

https://www.axios.com/wuhan-lab-coronavirus-cdc-director-c599cf7b-9e30-4314-909b-a9bdac28ead6.html

 

Is this even news anymore? Of course it was lab created.

 

Wuhan virus = homicide bomber of 2020s.

These righty attempts to massage language just serve to make the rest of us not pay any attention to what you are saying.

 

it's too bad that you accept what Robert Redfield spins as gospel.

Trump didn't vet his CDC appointee, Robert Redfield

Redfield was principal investigator over clinical trials of a treatment vaccine at the Walter Reed Army Institute of Research. The research was conducted at a time when there was intense pressure to come up with a treatment for HIV/AIDS, which often killed patients within a matter of months.

“Either he was egregiously sloppy with data or it was fabricated,” said former Air Force Lt. Col. Craig Hendrix, a doctor who is now director of the division of clinical pharmacology at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. “It was somewhere on that spectrum, both of which were serious and raised questions about his trustworthiness.”​

 

i'm late to this thread but...

Spoiler

would hit.

 

A lot of this stuff is the you can't disprove a negative.

 

it's too bad you jump to conclusions

 

"Origin of Covid — Following the Clues
Did people or nature open Pandora’s box at Wuhan?":

https://nicholaswade.medium.com/origin-of-covid-following-the-clues-6f03564c038

too long to quote in its entirety. here's the conclusion:

In Conclusion

If the case that SARS2 originated in a lab is so substantial, why isn’t this more widely known? As may now be obvious, there are many people who have reason not to talk about it. The list is led, of course, by the Chinese authorities. But virologists in the United States and Europe have no great interest in igniting a public debate about the gain-of-function experiments that their community has been pursuing for years.

Nor have other scientists stepped forward to raise the issue. Government research funds are distributed on the advice of committees of scientific experts drawn from universities. Anyone who rocks the boat by raising awkward political issues runs the risk that their grant will not be renewed and their research career will be ended. Maybe good behavior is rewarded with the many perks that slosh around the distribution system. And if you thought that Dr. Andersen and Dr. Daszak might have blotted their reputation for scientific objectivity after their partisan attacks on the lab escape scenario, look at the 2nd and 3rd names on this list of recipients of an $82 million grant announced by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases in August 2020.

The US government shares a strange common interest with the Chinese authorities: neither is keen on drawing attention to the fact that Dr. Shi’s coronavirus work was funded by the US National Institutes of Health. One can imagine the behind-the-scenes conversation in which the Chinese government says “If this research was so dangerous, why did you fund it, and on our territory too?” To which the US side might reply, “Looks like it was you who let it escape. But do we really need to have this discussion in public?”

Dr. Fauci is a longtime public servant who served with integrity under President Trump and has resumed leadership in the Biden Administration in handling the Covid epidemic. Congress, no doubt understandably, may have little appetite for hauling him over the coals for the apparent lapse of judgment in funding gain-of-function research in Wuhan.

To these serried walls of silence must be added that of the mainstream media. To my knowledge, no major newspaper or television network has yet provided readers with an in-depth news story of the lab escape scenario, such as the one you have just read, although some have run brief editorials or opinion pieces. One might think that any plausible origin of a virus that has killed three million people would merit a serious investigation. Or that the wisdom of continuing gain-of-function research, regardless of the virus’s origin, would be worth some probing. Or that the funding of gain-of-function research by the NIH and NIAID during a moratorium on such research would bear investigation. What accounts for the media’s apparent lack of curiosity?

The virologists’ omertà is one reason. Science reporters, unlike political reporters, have little innate skepticism of their sources’ motives; most see their role largely as purveying the wisdom of scientists to the unwashed masses. So when their sources won’t help, these journalists are at a loss.

Another reason, perhaps, is the migration of much of the media toward the left of the political spectrum. Because President Trump said the virus had escaped from a Wuhan lab, editors gave the idea little credence. They joined the virologists in regarding lab escape as a dismissible conspiracy theory. During the Trump Administration, they had no trouble in rejecting the position of the intelligence services that lab escape could not be ruled out. But when Avril Haines, President Biden’s director of National Intelligence, said the same thing, she too was largely ignored. This is not to argue that editors should have endorsed the lab escape scenario, merely that they should have explored the possibility fully and fairly.

People round the world who have been pretty much confined to their homes for the last year might like a better answer than their media are giving them. Perhaps one will emerge in time. After all, the more months pass without the natural emergence theory gaining a shred of supporting evidence, the less plausible it may seem. Perhaps the international community of virologists will come to be seen as a false and self-interested guide. The common sense perception that a pandemic breaking out in Wuhan might have something to do with a Wuhan lab cooking up novel viruses of maximal danger in unsafe conditions could eventually displace the ideological insistence that whatever Trump said can’t be true.

And then let the reckoning begin.
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more at the link

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A lot of this stuff has been floating around in the internet, but still no smoking gun.

 

Join the Tank-a-Thong in the GARM!
This is worth hitting.

 

The absence of evidence is evidence.

It has been more than a year.
Which is the intermediate species? How did the bat virus from south china jump all the way to Wuhan without leaving any traces behind?Teleportation?

Evidence needs to be gathered both ways.
For those who claim it just so happened for the virus to naturally and silently make its way across China in the city of a virology lab they need to prove it too.

 

I think I've seen this person on camgirls. Don't ask me how or why.

 

Wuhan is a major transit hub between the South of the PRC and the North. I've traveled in about a day from rural Hunan province where there bats to Wuhan. It is very possible that COVID-19 could've jumped from a bat to another infected animal or even a human being who then went to Wuhan.

 

The parent virus comes from the south of China and not anywhere near Wuhan. Even if the intermediate species patient zero got immediately transported in Wuhan it would leave a trail of death and disease. Such as other infected animals in his pen, market, cage, infected handlers.
Evidence. Where is it? Which is the transported intermediate species? The humans first patients?

Without evidence everything could be possible and the burden of proof isn't only on those who support the so called conspiracy theory of a Wuhan lab leak.
But also those who think it naturally happened for a southern chinese bat virus to migrate straight up right outside the door of a virology lab that studied bats.

The more time it passes without any evidence of such a "natural" process that would have left a trail of evidence behind the more it serves to prove that a Wuhan lab leak is likely.

Show the evidence we have been waiting for so long already.

 

I've not ruled out the possibility of a lab leak but it is very easy to get from Southern China to Wuhan. It is very possible a direct infection could've traveled to Wuhan without leaving a lot of signs of disease in between.