Chinese Virologist post report claiming virus made in Wuhan lab

Oh snap someone said something vague on wikipedia that makes her sound bad! Impossible!

 

Funny how all the tin foil hat people have been right on a lot of things lately.

 

Not sure what you're missing, but we've been missing you. Good to see you back.

 

It's totally possible especially if it's true they treated a coronavirus research under Level 2 conditions despite being certified for Level 4. Ebola escaped from a Princeton lab and could've wiped out the DC metro area if that strain weren't confined to primates. Those idiots didn't know at the time, so We Got Lucky just like how we didn't nuke ourselves or other cold war countries from potential "oopsies".

If Cathy Wood is right about upcoming Genomics Revolution, it'll be worse than tech bros complaining about security and privacy getting in the way of "neat and cool product" deliveries.

These ****ers will cut corners for fat stock valuations while covering their ass under the name of "progress" or the ultimate excuse "we didn't know at the time that it could be that bad"

If anything, the American researchers who swiftly debunked the Gain of Function theory should be brought to task on whether current research standards are up to task for the potential and chilling consequences of dipshits playing with God with the same hands they wiped their asses with.

 

He has already. Read it again. There is a widely used technique called serial passage that mimics zoonotic jumps.

That is why if they don't find the intermediate species the theory that it is a natural virus is full of holes.

 

Pretty sad the state we have ended up with.
Anyone who demands scientific proof evidence and procedure is now labeled a conspiracy theorist and put in the same group with people who believe in space lasers and flat earth?

Why it is too much to ask to find the intermediate species all of a sudden? Why is it too much to ask to find the way the ancestral virus made it's way to Wuhan?

With any other novel virus these things are being researched as a matter of fact, but with Covid we must accept one theory without any evidence to back it up?
And who dares to insist otherwise wears tin foil hat?

Very sad that people who think of themselves as people of science and free thinking are actually now making a farce of the essence of science itself.
Science requires proof and evidence. To have multiple theories and work hard to find evidence to support or deny them.

But we must deny a theory now out of hand and accept another theory with zero proof because of the agenda of some.

 

I think people should be reasonable, you can demand it but IMHO finding the cure or vaccination turned out to be way more important than tracing back to the source and finding the origin.

If it is up to me, you're no conspiracy theorist.

We should wrap our heads around the situation that more and more pandemics will occur with population numbers rising, wild climate change, wild animals' natural habitat shrinking and hence living side by side with us now.

But if they indeed happened to engineer that kind of virus, I'll be the first one to jump and say they are the biggest aholes.

 

of course that virus was man-made. I said it a while back and got laughed at

 

Of course a cure and a cheap and effective vaccine is more important.

But the origin of the virus isn't just a blame game.
Why?

1) If the virus is natural then it is of most importance to find the intermediate species because it will be the natural reservoir of the virus.
That is the reason why we are unable to eliminate Ebola because it's natural reservoir are too many wild species.
But it is the reason we have been able to limit Mers. Camels are regularly checked and quarantined.

And these viruses didn't even cause a pandemic.

If the intemerdiate species is some bred animal in farms there need to be massive cullings, quarantine specific procedures in handling of carcass . health checks and standards in handlings of these animals and the best would be a vaccine for these animals so we can take care of Covid from the root.

2)If the virus is from a lab leak there need to be more strict and tightly enforced standards in labs. The WHO is a joke and a new authority needs to be that can not only set but also enforce world wide lab standards in safety.

3) If the virus is engineered after what happened with such a cost of human lives then I 100% am in favour of techniques such as serial passage to be banned. Even if it will hinder scientific progress the risk has proven to be too huge and it could even be existential.


Researching the source of covid isn't just a blame game or just a no consequences interesting tidbit of only historical importance.

It is of vital importance for the handling of the virus itself and for our future as a species.

 

So far they are batting .000

 

There's nothing wrong with investigating the virus origins. There is something wrong with claiming it was leaked from a lab without any evidence whatsoever. Do you understand the difference?

 

Serial passage is a form of gain of function research that was used to develop the polio vaccine. It weakens viruses to humans by adopting it to another species.

The other problem with this theory is that why doesn't Covid show signs of being in this species that it was used for adapting too. They wouldn't use bats for serial passage. And then, somehow this virus had to make a jump to a lab worker and adopt fast enough without being detected in just a few months?

The problem with the lab leak theory is that yes, you could contrive a possible scenario where it could happen, but compare that to the infinitely more likely path - that the coronavirus made a jump in the wild. Millions of Chinese carry covid they got from bats. Why are people saying this definitely came from a lab when it's so far more likely it just came from the wild when you look at simple probability.

Then you have the tin foil guys who think China was developing a bio-weapon. In a major metropolis???

 

If this virus did leak from the Wuhan lab, I’ll start calling it China Virus.

I would also support closing all economic and diplomatic relations with the CCP because they tried to cover it up rather than own up to it.

 

Which is why its a futile effort to even discuss this subject. Subject matter experts can't even come to a consensus on how to properly protect the public, never mind trying to resolve a subject matter chalked full of conspiracy theories that can never be proven.

Look at the responses in this thread. There are those who have already come to a conclusion without a shred of evidence.

 

It's off topic but did they find the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq as they claimed to?

Wasn't it a blend of chemical and biological weapon?

 

We both know, that if it was created in a lab and leaked that the USA and the West won't do a damn thing because they don't want to face any economic consequences and down the line political consequences.

 

I am starting to think if it came from a lab, we are better off not knowing. Relations would never be the same and we don't need a cold war between China and the rest of the world.

 

The counter notion was that the technology of the CCP was never that good to begin with, that it was in the realm of fantasy.

It is scary to think down the road.

This was a perfect virus, not necessarily as lethal as Ebola, but in terms of reproduction and transmission.

 

Yes exactly. This logic in itself will be wrapped in conspiracy theories. Even if China came out and admitted it was accidently leaked, the economic consequences would be devastating for everyone.