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Chinese Virologist post report claiming virus made in Wuhan lab

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by tinman, Sep 15, 2020.

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Is she lying

  1. Yes - Hired by mtv for new show loose women chicks on the run

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  2. No - she’s really Chinese and she knows secrets

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  1. Ubiquitin

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    No clue. The origin has nothing to do with the effort needed to stop it.
     
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  2. dachuda86

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    But everything to do with preventing this from happening again and assigning blame to those responsible is key.
     
  3. tinman

    tinman Contributing Member
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    It’s cable news mania which is what the d&d loves

    true detectives want to find the truth
    Cause time is a circle
     
  4. tinman

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    Basically
    The hottest girl in the room farted and these fat boys don’t want to admit and just smile because they don’t her to stop walking by them at the cafeteria
    @Os Trigonum
    @Jontro
     
  5. dachuda86

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    More like it was the most unforgiving biased teacher and if they laugh and point it out, they'll get failing grades and be forced to repeat.
     
  6. tinman

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    I like my fat boys and hot girl analogy better
    I don’t think the D&D paid attention in class

    I did
    That’s why I know about world history and Rockets history
    They think Frans Ferdinand was some dude who kept singing
    You say I don’t know
    I say you don’t know
    @rocketsjudoka
     
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  7. dachuda86

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    nice point!
     
  8. Os Trigonum

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    "Timeline: How the Wuhan lab-leak theory suddenly became credible":

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...han-lab-leak-theory-suddenly-became-credible/

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    The source of the coronavirus that has left more than 3 million people dead around the world remains a mystery. But in recent months the idea that it emerged from the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) — once dismissed as a ridiculous conspiracy theory — has gained new credence.

    How and why did this happen? For one, efforts to discover a natural source of the virus have failed. Second, early efforts to spotlight a lab leak often got mixed up with speculation that the virus was deliberately created as a bioweapon. That made it easier for many scientists to dismiss the lab scenario as tin-hat nonsense. But a lack of transparency by China and renewed attention to the activities of the Wuhan lab have led some scientists to say they were too quick to discount a possible link at first.

    Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) from the start pointed to the lab’s location in Wuhan, pressing China for answers, so the history books will reward him if he turns out to be right. The Trump administration also sought to highlight the lab scenario but generally could only point to vague intelligence. The Trump administration’s messaging was often accompanied by anti-Chinese rhetoric that made it easier for skeptics to ignore its claims.

    As a reader service, here is a timeline of key events, including important articles, that have led to this reassessment. In some instances, important information was available from the start but was generally ignored. But in other cases, some experts fought against the conventional wisdom and began to build a credible case, rooted in science, that started to change people’s minds. This has led to renewed calls for a real investigation into the lab’s activities before the coronavirus emerged.

    Early speculation
    Dec. 30, 2019: The Wuhan Municipal Health Commission issues an “urgent notice” to medical institutions in Wuhan, saying that cases of pneumonia of unknown cause have emerged from the city’s Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market.

    Jan. 5, 2020: Earliest known tweet suggesting China created the virus. @GarboHK tweeted: “18 years ago, #China killed nearly 300 #HongKongers by unreporting #SARS cases, letting Chinese tourists travel around the world, to Asia specifically to spread the virus with bad intention. Today the evil regime strikes again with a new virus.”

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    more at the link
     
  9. tinman

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    Look at all the newbs on the Israel and Palestinian thread
    It’s like their tiktok brains can’t go back more than 2 days
    This stuff has been going on since the 1800s

    dumb people don’t even know who Hakeem Olajuwon is
    Doubt they know anything about world history
     
  10. H.D.

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    You are mind-numbingly vile.
     
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  11. Os Trigonum

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    "'Fact-Checking' Takes Another Beating":

    https://taibbi.substack.com/p/fact-checking-takes-another-beating

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    Fauci’s new quote about not being “convinced” that Covid-19 has natural origins, however, is part of what’s becoming a rather ostentatious change of heart within officialdom about the viability of the so-called “lab origin” hypothesis. Through 2020, officials and mainstream press shut down most every discussion on that score. Reporters were heavily influenced by a group letter signed by 27 eminent virologists in the Lancet last February in which the authors said they “strongly condemn conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin,” and also by a Nature Medicine letter last March saying, “Our analyses clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct.”

    The consensus was so strong that some well-known voices saw social media accounts suspended or closed for speculating about Covid-19 having a “lab origin.” One of those was University of Hong Kong virologist Dr. Li-Meng Yan, who went on Tucker Carlson’s show last September 15th to say “[Covid-19] is a man-made virus created in the lab.” After that appearance, PolitiFact — Poynter’s PolitiFact — gave the statement its dreaded “Pants on Fire” rating.

    About a half-year later, in February, 2021, the WHO made a visit to China. Apparently some of the delegation left with a few doubts about the natural origin of the virus, even though the WHO’s report declared a lab-origin theory “extremely unlikely.” From there came a procession of scientists demanding that the lab origin possibility be taken seriously, including a letter signed by 18 experts in Science. When the Wall Street Journal came out with a story that a previously undisclosed U.S. intelligence report detailed how three Wuhan researchers became sick enough to be hospitalized in November of 2019, the toothpaste was fully out of the tube: there was no longer any way to say the “lab origin” hypothesis was too silly to be reported upon.

    That’s not to say the “lab origin” theory is correct, at all. However, that’s irrelevant to issue at hand. Despite what you might have been led to believe, fact-checkers don’t exist to get things right 100% of the time. They’re there as a threadbare, last-ditch safety mechanism, which news organizations employ as a means of preventing public face-plants.

    In any case, by May 17, just days after its “Festival of Fact-Checking,” Poynter/PolitiFact had to issue a correction to its September, 2020 “Pants on Fire” ruling on the “lab origin” story, writing:

    When this fact-check was first published in September 2020, PolitiFact’s sources included researchers who asserted the SARS-CoV-2 virus could not have been manipulated. That assertion is now more widely disputed. For that reason, we are removing this fact-check from our database pending a more thorough review.
    more at the link
     
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  12. tinman

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    Someone needs to apologize to this lady who is really a virologist living in Hong Kong.
    Which is part of China.
     
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  13. tinman

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    Here's a video of her talking with some Indians
    I know the D&D is just obsessed with Gringos

    Indians from India, not from Arizona or Lake Charles

     
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    1) The lockdowns in China were a lot stricter. Yet, outbound international travel was unrestricted for quite some time.
    2) China was the original source of this pandemic (even though the communist party is now trying to use propaganda to obfuscate this fact).
    3) If China had completely stopped outbound international travel when they were already ordering people into lockdown domestically, this would have never become a problem outside of China.
    4) Once the virus was already spreading all over the world, shutting down outbound international travel would be much more useless than when it could have been contained to its country of origin.

    Basically, China clearly had all the knowledge to know the severity of the problem; otherwise, they would not have taken measures as drastic as they did.

    They had all the power to keep the problem contained to China.

    Instead, they made sure it became the world's problem, rather than the problem of the country where the whole thing originated.
     
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  16. tinman

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    This is what you call a good informational post that’s based on real events that Clutchfans are experiencing.
    Not some random whim opinion.

    like when you have a new restaurant
    You ask someone if the food was good .
    One person saw a person on cable news say it was bad so they say it is bad even though they didn’t go there.

    that’s not quality , or real .

    the person who goes to the restaurant and experiences the food themselves , that’s what a real response is according to us smart people
     
  17. jchu14

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    Lockdown was stricter in some cities, but domestic travel was not shutdown outside of Hubei. That was the fact that I wanted to corrected. China did not shutdown domestic travel while allowing international travel to continue.

    In hindsight, if China had shutdown all international travel and shipping, then it would've definitely made things better for the rest of the world (aside from the economic damage it might've done by shutting down trades in and out of China overnight). Though I am not convinced that it would've halted covid completely outside of China aside from delaying it by a month or two. By the time Hubei was shutdown, the virus was already out in the world. The first case in the US was a person that came back from Wuhan on Jan 15th. So China would've had to have shut down in December or earlier. I doubt the government realize the severity of the cases in December considering the Wuhan shutdown wasn't until Jan 26th.

    There was also some evidence that covid was probably already in Italy in November of 2019. https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/27/2/20-4632_article.
     
  18. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Notice that if you follow the science then people like @basso accuse you of being a Chiacom. So clearly there is an agenda to tie the pandemic to China.

    So far there is no evidence that the virus was man made. Did it leak from a lab? Unlikely but possible. But that's a big difference from being man-made.
     
  19. tinman

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    Someone here hates Chinese women who are doctors living in Hong Kong

    why ?
    She seems pretty smart and apparently she still has a job which I can’t say for the majority of you art history dropouts

    why are the New Yorkers trying to cancel an Asian lady?
    @basso @J.R.
     
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  20. tinman

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    @Os Trigonum

    I understand why nobody knows how to respond to that video of her on Indian tv

    because they just realized all those people aren’t from Indiana

    D&Ders aren’t cultured
    @J.R. and the GARM stars rule
     
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