The U.S. didn't commite genocide in any of those nations. We didn't try to wipe out anyone's culture. If you said the U.S. commited genocide against the Native Americans - then I would say that's a valid perspective. What China is doing in Tibet is tantamount to genocide. It's wiping out a culture. It's changing the demographics, it has killed and is killing, and the Tibetans are completely repressed and suffering inhumanly. You need to open your mind and instead of saying we are all biased, maybe open your mind to the idea that China is committing great evil upon the Tibetan people. Why not hear their side?
Everyone is convinced who is not of Chinese decent. I think that really says something. The film is pretty strong evidence. Pretty shocking and alarming. And yet all we see is Chinese posters trying to find any kind of streched out reasons to defend their country. You might as well say that it was actually aliens doing the shooting.
Human smuggling? What are you talking about? What humans are "smuggled" into Tibet? Are you talking about Tibetans who leave to go to India because the Chinese government doesn't allow them to have passports or leave the country? Yeah, that's human "smuggling" all right....all kinds of Tibetans are just dying to get back to Lhasa so that their housescan be bulldozed. Whatever helps you sleep at night.......
Suggesting genocide is not just a little strong, it's flat out wrong. So the USA is commiting cultural genocide to Iraqis by stationing USA citizens in Iraq while forcing down the Western cultural values and exporting Iraqi oil? This is typical Al Queda like anti-America proganda, the difference is you and NewYorker is using it against China. Shame on you.
On the other face of earth, the Al Queda is saying since the USA killed 655000 innocent civilians, forcing down Western values, and importing Iraqi Oil, what the USA is doing in Iraq is tantamount to genocide. It's wiping out a culture. It's changing the demographics, it has killed and is killing, and the Iraqis are completely repressed and suffering inhumanly. You need to open your mind and instead of saying we are all biased, maybe open your mind to the idea that USA is committing great evil upon the Iraqis people. Why not hear their side? It seems you are in good company, NewYorker.
You're missing the point here. Cultural genocide is the systematic destruction of a way of life and culture. I find that Iraq is chaos but Shi'ites were denied basic religious guarantees in the past that they can now engage in. The Kurds are free to practice their culture etc.. There is more cultural diversity in Iraq today (and a lot more violence/chaos but that's another issue) On the other hand, Tibetans have been forced to sell out their culture. Tourism is the mainstay of the economy now and as a result their only option is to cater to tourists. That isn't culture. That is the commodification of culture and the reduction of it into a profit-making scheme. The difference with say French cultural exhibits in France and Tibetan ones is that in Tibet it has become the source of any economy and as a result the average person their must cave into the tourism industry. There's very little industry outside of tourism so more and more are forced to give in. That is the destruction of culture and that is the cultural "genocide" that people have refered to. I'm still not convinced that this is any different from Native American reservations where the people there have been forced into the same type of practice. There is no culture left anymore outside of the stage shows and tourist traps that exist in these reservations. The conditions are the same. The locals in these reservations had their way of life trampled on by Americans and now have been FORCED to survive by turning their culture into a museum artifact. Tibetans are slowly being forced to engage in similar practices.
There was no real voluntary participation, anyone who doesn't participate or to be keen in making choas will be trialed by the red guards in front of people under the slogan "Revolution is mighty, Rebellion is truth". It's not like one can keep themselves out of it. Non-participation is a crime, in the thinking of you are either with us or against us. The red guards had ways to drive you mad if you are not mad or mad enough. Sad days for China.
Are those guys getting into Tibet or leaving Tibet. If they were getting into China, shouldn't they be subject to inspection? I mean, everyone want to come to US, but they cannot come at will. A country's border does mean something. But the point is the investigation is still going on. And it is very possible that the soldiers mishandeled the situation and will be displined. Why make a general accusation of genocide now? If the world does this every time US soldiers killed innocent Iraqis at check points, you'd thing our army is over there committing genocide.
But you had no problem saying the bombing of Chinese embassy was caused by outdated maps, even though not only chinese but also NATO officials believe it was a lie. When you accuse others of something, you'd better look into the mirror and check out yourself first. Technically, there is no proof that the video clip is the real record of what happened. As far as I know, every time OBL released an audio or video clip, the CIA has to work to check out the authenticity. Who has done this work on this recording? This tape doesn't prove anything if used in a court.
You just proved that there is no cultural genocide in Tibet. "I find that Iraq is chaos but Shi'ites were denied basic religious guarantees in the past that they can now engage in" Thank you. The Lamas were denied basic religious guarantees in the past as well. The Tibetans now are free to practice their religions now. Before there's no religious freedom in Tibet, now a Tibetan Chinese can practice any religion he/she likes, there is more cultural diversity now in the Tibetan province. The similar thing by China is cultural genocide, but bringing cultural diversity by the USA. You have a way to twist things. Hypocrisy at its best. Nonsense, the Tibetans will be insulted hearing that their way of living and religion belief is just a show to make money to tourists. So it is best to preserve the Tibetan culture by abandoning tourism and keep the Tibetan Chinese poor, uneducated, and dirty. You are advocating cultural genocide against the Tibetans by cutting off their main income and make them poor. You may not realize it, but you are advocating it.
Cultures some time do become victims of economic development. How many chinese kids don't know much about traditional chinese culture because they are only interested in hollywood movies and rap music? It is a bit extrem to call it cultural "genocide". A big part of old "tibetan culture" was the slavery system. I don't see anything bad about lossing that part.
It turned out that Saddam was more trustworthy than those iraqi exiles, and arab media is more trustworthy than CIA. Look, everyone is pick among various propagandas. You think what you are exposed to is not propaganda? At least a lot of chinese posters are exposed to propagandas from multiple sources. And in some case, they have personal experience.
And I can predict you will jump out every time attacking china, and chinese posters. You speak as if you, and only you, knew the "truth".
Things are improving. There are a lot to be desired, no doubt about it. But do you really expect everything gets fixed overnight? The CCP may not admit it, but they are changing, to the right direction I may add.
I doubt it's official policy nor even encouraged to shoot people like that, otherwise we would have heard of more incidents. Until othersie, this is most likely an isolated incident where some soldiers got over zealous and did something incredibly stupid, dangerous, and ultimately disgusting. The "China is world leader in civil rights abuse" crowd is seeing what they want to see, an obvious systematic killing of innocent Tibetan pilgrims. The "China gov't does no wrong" crowd is seeing what they want to see, e.g. are they really Tibetans, etc. In either case it's stupid to make it for more than what it is or justify it for more than what it is. Maybe we'll never find out the facts in the case, but if you want toi speculate, by all means do so. Just don't use it as an opportunity to talk about how CHina is in the Middle Ages, or how hypocritical America has a bad history of civil rights abuses also.
Allies who are appalled and against Bush's stand on human right... Anyway, measuring China with western standard is unfair. Give it another 50-100 years. BTW, if one really care about human right, one has to ask "aren't tibetans better off getting rid off the slavery system Dali Lama was running"?
That is possible. And the chance is chinese government may not even go public with discplinary action. It doesn't mean they sanction such shootings.
To New Yorker and others: I'm not saying that some of what you say is right or wrong, just that the way you're laying it out there is seriously flawed. For the same reason you probably shouldn't tell black people that they have messed up family structure (since you know the whole slavery thing had soemthing to do with it), you probably shouldn't tell Chinese people in general how to treat others better or how they're selling out or their culture being destroyed. Most have a good grasp of history especially from the mid 19th century and on. People usually are aware of who exploited their culture in the past and don't really kindly taking to them critiquing them. Yes yes, we should all move on, but it's always easier for the exploiters to take the high road isn't it? Just my thoughts. Personally, I see no benefit to China being in Tibet, and I think the Communist Party is lame as hell, but when you can run a nation of 1.2 billion people and get them to gorw out of a 20-30 year depression when the entire western world is against you, then maybe we can talk.
INteretsing. In fact a search on Google for "Dalai Lama slavery system" brings up a whole slew of info. I thought it was typical Communist Party propaganda but apparently it's for real. This is a very neutral look at the Dalai Lama. Maybe absence makes the heart grow fonder. I had no clue about the conditons in Tibet when he left. I encourage everyone to read this, no matter what side you're on. I'm still goiugn through this thing. it's a monster of a read so far lol http://voyage.typepad.com/china/2005/10/dalai_lama_and_.html
