How is it different from what America has done to the native americans? China is wiping out Tibetian culture and clearly is dehumanizing them. Isn't this what we did to the native americans. Some day, there will be no Tibetan culture - it will just be Chinese.
i can't help it if you have a warped sense of reality. The U.S. media is biased, but it's nothing compared to the state-run propaganda of Chinese media which is just a bunch of b.s. and lies.
Well, first of all the USA army didn't kill 100's of thousands of Iraqis. Maybe you should get your facts straight before making comparisons. Tibet is China's manifest destiny. If America commited genocide onto the Native Americans, then China has done so to Tibet. End of Story.
However, after America's genocide onto the Native Americans, Native American population dropped to 10% (more or less?) of its original number. After China's "genocide" onto Tibetans, its population increased 600%, and life expectancy doubled. Young Tibetans no longer die in early 30's, they don't need to worry about their skin being made drummers for the Lamas, and their bones being made horns for the Lamas. End of Story?
But for the action of the US Army, 100s of thousands of iraqi's would still be alive. Maybe it isn't 100s of thousands of cases of 1st degree murders, but make no mistake, US has killed 100s of thousands of Iraqis.
Thanks for that. I just want to say that I have absolutely nothing against Chinese people and I am not trying to attack you personally. I just think it would be beneficial for you to step back and take as unbiased a look at the situation as you can. Forget propaganda from all sides and try to sift through the facts of the situation. In this particular situation of this nun's killing, if the facts bear out as they have been presented, you cannot possibly defend your governments actions. In regards to Tibet, you can try to defend those actions but I obviously am not going to change my stance on how I feel about it. Cultural assimilation would be the correct terminology. I said before that I don't think it is genocide. And I agree that it cheapens the term genocide. It is assimilation. the difference is a fine line, but an important one. The results may not be that different but it is important to get the terminology straight. Assimilation is "to make similar". The Chinese government is not trying to rid the world of Tibetans. They are trying to assimilate them into Chinese culture under Chinese control while maintaining enough culture to support the lucrative tourist industry. That is sad to me, as there are obviously better ways to accomodate both parties in this region. To justify what the Chinese government has done in Tibet as a liberation of slavery is a crime in itself. It is true that the system that was in place before the invasion was outdated and needed to go away. It is also true that the only beneficial result of the occupation was the elimination of this system of slavery. In no way can you use this as a justification for the human rights abuses, attempts by the government to turn the religion into a state run entity and the limitations of the freedoms of these people through intimidation, imprisonment, torture and economic warfare. Some of the arguments here are nothing more than Chinese propoganda. A prime example would be real_egal's justification of the government's kidnapping of the 11th Panchen Lama and his family. Real, I hope you have researched this and know that your view on this issue not only stretches the truth, but hides it entirely. to Compucomp, I won't argue on the depths that you would like to take this discussion. You have no defense for your actions on this board or the actions of your government. If you want to start another thread on the "Evils of America" please do and I will be happy to discuss those issues with you there. The same applies if you would like to start a thread on the "Evils of Brock". Nice talkin' to you guys... One thing we have learned here is that wrong is wrong. Unfortunately we all knew that already I think. It is accepting what is wrong which is sometimes the difficult part. Respect, Brock P.S. What America did to the Native Americans was genocide. that's a fact.
I find your facts spurious at best and they are uncollaborated. You need to show some more data from a reputable source (not the chinese media).
First of all, that's one estimate of the total number of Iraqi deaths. Second of all, you are blaming the deaths of shia killing sunni and vice versa on the U.S. Army. The U.S. Army didn't kill those people. Iraqis are killing Iraqis. This is a weak attempt to deflect attention away from ATROCITIES China has committed. Nice try but you'll have to do better.
Well, beyond insulting 90% of this board, I'd say that you've really showed your true colors and contempt for us. Personally, I think Americans are the most unbiased people on earth - which isn't saying much because everyone is biased....but i find it humorous you can't recognize it. Perhaps it's your own bias about Americans that keeps you blind?
Hypothetical situation, if all inmates of a maximum security prison were released by the government into a major city, and the inmates begin to wreck havoc and murdering people in the city. Is the government at fault for the havoc? I guess your answer would be a no... it is the fault of the inmates for murdering people and the government did absolutely nothing wrong. The fact is... but for the actions of America, there would not be 600,000 dead bodies in Iraq. I will man up and say that China has made mistakes in Tibet, but it is absurd to call it genocide. They went into Tibet with good intent by ending slavery. At the same time, they couldn't forcast the rebellion and the bloody aftermath (along the same lines of America entering the 2nd Gulf War). The difference is that America managed to kill as many people in a couple years compared to an occupation of over 40 years.
I appreciate your recognition of the Chinese government's mistakes, although I don't agree that it was a noble cause to end slavery. It was to secure their border, keep territory, rape the natural resources and subdue a peacful people. Ending the slavery in the region was cheap justification and a beneficial side effect to a crime. Comparing this situation with anything any other government has done is beside the point. That is a completely different discussion and should be in a different topic. Justifying these actions by pointing to the actions of another will not make these actions right. It is absurd to call it genocide, it is deadly accurate to call it cultural assimilation. Either way a culture dies and atrocities are commited. If you do want to extend your comparison, I imagine a lot less people in Iraq would have died had they been peaceful Buddhist instead of militant Muslims. It's a lot easier to fight someone shoving flowers down gunbarrels then it is to fight someone laying landmines, firing automatic weapons, firing mortars and throwing hand grenades.
Ok, China did not commit genocide in Tibet. Then, may I propose that the U.S. did not commit genocide against the Native Americans. No - we liberated them from a savage way of living. Today - they have casino's and can drive cars and live in a modern way. We rescued them from a poor and miserable way of life, and saved the buffalo to. native americans are no longer savages. So both China and the U.S. should be hailed as liberators. Do you agree now?
Thank you for admitting that China did not commit genocide. If that's the way you feel about the American Indians, then so be it. I can't say I can agree to that.
Now how the hell can you tell how biased an American is by directly asking them, or by taking their own word for it? Bias has a negative connotation, nobody will willingly admit to it.
The American media's material on foreign policy issues is flawed and biased at best and factually incorrect at worst. For example, I have asked many Muslims, and they all agree that the American coverage of the Israel-Lebanon incident was extremely flawed, biased, and at many points factually wrong. I can't help it if you "have a warped sense of reality" and can't realize that the media in your own country cannot report foreign policy issues accurately and in an unbiased fashion. Everyone in China knows the government broadcasts in many cases must be taken with a grain of salt. People in America apparently do not know this about their own media, and think it's "fair and balanced" (How Fox News can call themselves fair and balanced is totally beyond me, btw, and the American people tolerate it). So... I ask, who's more myopic? Who has the more warped sense of reality?
