I didn't notice that. That was kind of weird. In fact now that I think about it, why didn't they go help the poor fellow? I get the feeling there's more to this story soon
What has happen to the Tibetan people is a kind of genocide overall. The very fact that the center of Tibetan culture is now in India is a pretty alarming point.
You can't walk fast in deep snow. And if you are fleeing gunfire, you're just going to keep going. You're a sitting duck - what are you suppose to do? Of course, they could be use to this...so beaten down that they know the PLA may shoot at them and that's just part of the risk of going. The source of the video is Romanian TV - so it's legitimate - it was played all over Romania. Plus the eye-witness accounts are there, and the Chinese gov't has itself confirmed the deaths. Now - the Chinese official story was first it was in self-defense, but after the video - they are now not saying anything. I mean, this isn't a jump to conclusion - this is pretty credible evidence. This act doesn't consistent genocide necessarily - unless the soldiers have been given authority to shoot Tibetans at their discretion - in which case it is.
I think the main issue with u is that you havent conceded this point until this late into the thread. Your previous comments have made it clear that you don't doubt for one second it was on orders from up top to shoot them.
I never claimed they were given orders. That's your interpretation. However; China has commited genocide in Tibet. And this act is congruent with a policy of genocide in Tibet. Clearly these soldiers are not told to have restraint....and China clearly isn't going to arrest them or take action to state that they were not taking orders. The official line from China has been to sanction what the soldiers did. Therefore there is a strong and credible link to this being part of genocide.
If your interpretation of events holds true, then it's a terrible thing, but it is not genocide, please stop using that word. Rwanda was a genocide, Bosnia was a genocide, don't use the word inappropriately or it loses meaning.
This isn't genocide. I don't like Chinese policy in Tibet by any stretch of the imagination but this clearly isn't genocide and labeling it that just devalues the word and numbs us to its reality. The slaughter of hutus and tutsis in Rwanda was genocide. The systematic murder of Jews by the nazis was genocide. And even the westward expansion of America and the subsequent killings of native americans probably could be labeled as a genocide. But this is by no means a genocide. I find this debate to be as polarizing as abortion. No one's convincing anyone of anything. So I'll refrain from wasting anyone's time on this issue but we should definitely be sensative when lableing Tibet with a word that is attached to some of the most horrific moments in modern human history.
If killing two men who try to pass the border illegally should be viewed as genocide, then the USA army killing hundreds of thousands of Iraqis is holocaust. It's just ridiculous. That's why saying it is an incident of genocide is stupid.
They could just raise their hands and show that they were surrendering. Did they do that in the video clip?
Then, Mr. Sanctimonious American Fellow Concerned about Human Rights in Every Country Other Than His Own, what do you have to say about the American takeover of the Native Americans in the 1800's? What do you have to say about the Americans supporting/propping up/putting in place brutal dictators during the Cold War, who have committed acts FAR WORSE than what may or may not go on in Tibet in the name of suppressing Communism? Not only that, you're abusing the word genocide to create shock value. I suggest you look up examples such as the Rwandan Genocide and Nazi and Japanese actions during WWII. That's genocide.
The idea is that EVERYONE SHUTS THE F*CK UP. The Americans shouldn't be criticizing the Chinese, nor should the Chinese criticize the Americans. Neither is in a moral position to criticize. We only spread propaganda around as retaliation against your propaganda. Oh, and I'm actually from this "rest of the world" place that so many Americans are so unfamiliar with, so maybe I have a view that actually better reflects the "rest of the world" than you do?
Yep, and there's no actual proof that there is abuse going on at Guantanamo Bay. Everyone with a brain knows it's obviously true that you bombed us on purpose.
And you listen to the propaganda that the American corporate conglomerate media pushes out. For domestic issues it's OK, but for foreign policy issues, the American media is way way off base most of the time. This is NOT isolated to coverage of Chinese issues; watch Al-Jazeera's broadcasts of the Iraq war and CNN's. I'll take Al-Jazeera's word on the Iraq war ANY day over CNN.
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Since you claimed that you started your ranting after my offensive response, let’s just fast-rewind to where it started. This was the second reply in the thread beginning, you called it a genocide based on a blurry video of one shooting incident. This was the fourth reply in the thread, where you later on claimed it was your prediction instead of provocation. This was the fifth reply in the thread, which was the one directly after your provocation. I asked questions based on my observation. Please explain to us why my questions for clarity and confirmation drove you mad, or you already went uncontrolled before you even heard the questions? Or you already had an agenda coming into this thread? Similar questions were asked by Sishir, but you called him one of the fair poster, an exception for ethnical Chinese, simply because he agrees with you somewhat regarding the overall Tibet issue, instead of any addressing of this video? In other words, you will be livid if someone doesn’t agree with you and asks you questions? This is your answer to my questions: Am I surprised that those questions wouldn’t get answered? Not really. That’s how you debate. This thread went for 12 pages, only 2 person asked questions directly about the video, ZERO answer to it. I wonder why. I further clarified my position in the following posts, that I do NOT believe the story of Chinese government fully, and I need further confirmation from different sources. I am really wondering why CNN and other major US news agencies didn’t pick that up. I am wondering why Yahoo! news article used the word “Purported” as the first word in its title. I guess that’s really too much for you to handle. You said you lost faith in humanity. Well, you should, when you look into the mirror. Drop your 3rd grade acting, and stop flattering yourself. Before you talk about humanity, learn the basics first, that’s called honesty and decency.
i got a news flash for you walter cronkite...this is an internet discussion forum - we are here to discuss issues, sometimes controversial. instead of telling us to shut the **** up, why dont you go away - nobody is forcing you to participate why are you even here?
