Interesting....You really have a way of memorizing..... Hey, do you remember you still owe me a house in River Oak? What no.... Wait, is my big Ferangy ear showing? Oh well, nice to have some humor this late in the evening.
Let's just put this Taiwan issue aside and talk about something we can all share. How about creating a.... CHINESE NAME FOR CLUTCHCITY!? I'll start a new thread and we can have all the ethnic Chinese people contribute! The Taiwan issue deserves a long debate, yet one which I fear will only drive our new BBS friends from China away or at least make them angry... I've fought pitched battles on other BBSes before on this very issue, writing approx. 30-40 pages each time in response to Chinese posters, but this is neither the time nor the place. But one thing that new Chinese Rockets fans will need to learn pretty quick is to be a bit tolerant of different world-views... There's actually a sizable Taiwanese population in Houston (probably more than mainland Chinese), and I think that translates proportionally into Rockets fans. And we're going to look at things a bit different... That's all. As for the personal question: 'Does the Lil guy deny that he is Chinese?' The answer is: No, I do not deny that I am an ethnic Chinese, like ethnic Chinese from Singapore, Malaysia, or even Chinese-Americans. But does Taiwan belong to China? Hell no... Cheers! Lil
Warning: another long post [/QUOTE] You Taiwanese are already making the Chinese people angry by trying to dismember China. What do you care about making us angry or not? Please spare me of your hypocrisy. On anothe note, at the risk of appearing not being nice, I'm not your friend. What a subtle way for jabs. Thanks for making us the Chinese fans look narrow-minded as not to be tolerant of different world-views, when all we did is to explain in patience when our names got called. _________________________________________________ As to your being ethic Chinese, you should feel a sense of responsibilty to your mother culture and do your part to make the origin of your mother culture, China, a better place, instead of trying to make her weaker by taking part of her away. Yet I know you Taiwanese are coming up with all kinds of reasons for trying to detach from your mother culture. You say that your mother culture is inferior to your Taiwan culture, which in all honesty, all comes from China, in order to escape away from your responsibility to look after her. As after thousands of years of hardship she looks old and fragile, and you guy don't bother looking back to give her a hand. Or you say that the communism ruined Chinese culture in China and Taiwan has the real Chinese culture, so you must declare independance, yet I failed to see how can someone who really cares about their mother culture while not giving a damn to its origin. As it's impossible for Jews not caring Jurasleum... Or you say that Taiwan is democratic and freedom loving, nothing resembles the current state of China as a reason of not rejoining her, then instead of trying to make the origin of your mother culture better by the merits you claim, you run away and hide behind people who buys your Yellow Menace crap. While China promised to let Taiwanese ruling themselves, maintaining democracy and freedom, as it's been done in Hong Kong under "one country two systems", you shift to the Taiwanese culture better than Chinese culture crap. Disregarding the fact that most so called Taiwanese culture came from China, then changing a Chinese dialect, FuJianHua, into the name of "Taiwanese Language", to add to your Taiwanese culture's substance. At least you are being nice here admiting you are ethnic Chinese , whereas your beloved elected president Chen Shui Bian does not even acknowledge he's a Chinese. Oh sorry for omiting the so important word ethnic. Yet it doesn't matter whether you are ethnic Chinese or real Chinese, you live on China's soil and it will be taken back someday by us. At least you are being nice by not jabbing Chinese culture here, whereas you vice president goes to Japan, thanks them for defeating China and took Taiwan away and let Taiwan enjoyed Japan's colonel governing, when the truth was Taiwanese were seconday citizens, not even being allowed to own kitchen knives by the Japanese(courtesy of a famous Taiwanese's Wang Yong Xing's own words). Through hurting our old history wound, insulting your ancesters who suffered under Japanese ruling, selling out your dignity you still didn't manage getting Japan's support on your independance. Then you claim you are an "ethnic Chinese", when your vice president, appointed by your beloved president, congratulate the Japanese at the failure of Chinese culture. Now don't try to deny the crux of the problem by claiming that China does not own Taiwan. It is. It is an universally acknowledged fact including by USA. You can either say that the 185 countries are all fools made by China's propaganda, or you can say that they sacrificed their honesty for their interest with China, which you say in Taiwan but not here, of course, as you are busy selling your yellow menace crap to the Americans. So you hop on the bandwagon when China is getting jumped on by some posters here, preaching how China is demonizing America with their media. In your collective scheme the Americans will cater to your democracy and love for freedom appeal, when your democracy are consisted of punk senators who fight all the time in their congress publicly under cameras and plagued by scandals mafia money. You expect the young Americans die for you when you can do nothing in return to repay their blood. You tell Americans that Taiwan is their unsinkable flight carrier in Asia, so welcome to fight for us for the sake of democracy, so you can witness millions of Chinese and Americans who never offended you in their lives go killing each other for your selfish independance crap. I won't be surprised if one day it's revealed that Taiwanese are paying American and Japan or any other medias to promote the "China as an emerging threat" theory. After all, Taiwan's been paying money to little countries for their diplomatic support all along. I'm not running away on the Taiwan issue as you expected. I can go on and on and on............. So in all honesty, and again, at the risk of not appearing being nice, you, Lil, are not my friend. Ps. I'll get back later at other poster's.
I don't think its accurate to say China has one monolithic culture. Those in Xinjiang don't seem to want to be part of this 'mother culture' you speak of. Those in Tibet don't seem to want to be part of this 'mother culture.' Mao didn't seem to care too much for your 'mother culture' as he killed millions of intellectuals, religious and political figures to remove their influence. You know, the 'CULTURAL REVOLUTION.' What a suprise those in Taiwan don't want you to 'take them back.' The mother culture was obliterated by Mao. Are you talking about China before Mao, China during Mao, or today's China? Why are those in Taiwan responsible for fixing the problems in China? This is also a good example of my previous post on the differences between the Asian emphasis on group right and the Western emphasis on 'individual rights.' Care for maybe. Submit to, why? And you don't seem to deny that Mao ruined the previous culture, or at least changed it into something completely different. If it was all racist paranoia, as your label of 'Yellow Menace crap' suggests, why would the West help Taiwan (which would also be considered, uh, yellow)? Do you deny the rate at which China is building up their military? The PRC already has the worlds largest standing army. The PRC already has a nuclear arsenal. Do you deny that the PRC has made aggressive moves against Taiwan and in the Spratley Islands, rather than trying to work through ASEAN or some other organization for a peaceful resolution? Why does the PRC continue to lob missles at Taiwan to coerce compliance? Its not slander if its true. How generous. Why would those in Taiwan WANT to be part of the PRC? If your main concern is a UNIFIED China, I got a suggestion for you. The mainland can join the government of Taiwan. I bet they would let you rule yourselves, including the lack of democracy and freedom under a one country-two systems rule. I am pretty sure the former mainland government also fought the Japanese, no? Sounds like you may be getting some propaganda straight from the Little Red Book. It seems fairly obvious that the PRC was recognized as the legitimate government as a result of 1. their strategic value vis-a-vis the former Soviet Union and 2. their possession of nuclear weapons. There is I believe corruption everywhere, including here in the US. Don't think its anywhere near as rampant, however, as it is on the mainland. If you are concerned about lives lost then let Taiwan go. Those in Taiwan are our allies. Have been for more than sixty years. Americans have already shed blood to support them. And lets not forget the PRC has shed plenty of American blood in Korea and Vietnam. China is an emerging threat. You say yourself that you'll 'TAKE' Taiwan. You'd probably agree you should be able to 'TAKE' the Spratly's, despite other countries claims to the same territory. You've 'TAKEN' some of the islands by force, attacking Vietnamese naval boats and marines. You've build new airstrips on Woody Island, you've bought long range air tankers, and submarines, and are reportedly in the market for an aircraft carrier. You give nuclear techology to Iran and North Korea. How are you NOT an emerging threat? The government that ruled all of China before Mao, continued to rule in Formosa/Taiwan when forced to evac the mainland. So no, the land is not necessarily up for grabs, although that does happen when a large country breaks up (see former Soviet Union, former Yugoslavia etc). Country is a 'political state or nation.' I believe Taiwan has its own government. I believe they have their own boundaries. I believe they do NOT submit to some other sovereign authority. Seems to hold up to me. Is North Dakota still part of the US? The government on the island is in fact OLDER than the one on the mainland, so the ND example is funny, but not relevant. The point is that the government is Taiwan is no more illegitimate than the one in the PRC. The people on the island were not part of the PRC. EVER. The people on the island now don't want to be part of the PRC. Maybe you should consider giving sovereignty back to the Mongols. After all, they did rule China way back in the day. Yes you are. You're buying more Cokes and Levi's than ever. You'll come around soon enough. You could say you're 'almost ready.'
Wow, look what this has turned into. I have to say I enjoyed reading the intelligent posts from both sides. But this is too complicated an issue for this BBS and frankly is going nowhere. let me venture to bring this to a closure before Panda posts another long reply or someone counters him. As I said before, I tend to think Governments of differents countries are more alike than dislike, and people of different countries are more alike than dislike. No government can exist for a long time if it does not represent the majority of its people, communist, captalist, or whatever---just look at the history of any country. All governments takes some power away form their people. Media is powerful not only because it gives info, but also because it creates perception and generalization. Some of the perceptions towards Chinese government American media creates are undue, and it helps the strongly opiniated generalization like timing has. I know for a fact, taiwan has its secretive "special case" money for media and public relation in US, some of the money are geared toward China. IMO, Chinese government should do the same. Otherwise they are being foolish. To really argue about the Taiwan issue, one should start with philosophy, then political science about sovereign, government, represantation, then international law, and history. Also be aware that the history you have been taught might be different than others. Textbooks and popular writings about the same incident may have different angles. About one thing I can say is, China will never give up Taiwan, never, due to the geo politics and military importance of it. Taiwan is no Mongolia. Unless of course, China itself collapses, which is what former "president" of Taiwan publicly hoped for.
Thank you HayesStreet, Michecon, for lending some sense to the debate. Esp. HayesStreet for defending my beloved country. It's Americans like you who makes the world respect, follow, or at the least, tolerate American hegemony. Despite its flaws, and inherent inequities, unfortunately, no other power has come close to uphold liberal democratic ideals with the same effectiveness or vigor. I'll stop here. I don't want to hate.
Wow, this has gotten really political. China won't give up Taiwan, but Taiwan won't exactly just capitulate. And the rough waters, strong tides and muddy western Taiwan shores prevent the PRC from invading. So, since none of this will be resolved soon... As far as copyright infringement and plagiarism, you read more and more in this country about the latter; academics and writers getting caught lifting others' ideas and work. The more Chinese that visit clutchcity.net, the less this guy at sina.com can steal Clutch's stories. Maybe.
Yeah, probably you can do that. I know most American guys are over 200 lbs, and I am only 180 lbs. But first, I will show you some Chinese Gong Fu. If you can recognize it is fake, I will just run. My speed and endurance are pretty good. Can you catch me if you are over 200 lbs? Well, if you play high school football, I am in trouble again. Are you crying for help to your American dady? I truely believe America is a land for braves, not for you ass-kissing crying babies. Do me a favor, don't call yourself an ethnic Chinese. It makes me feel ashamed.
Yes you are. You're buying more Cokes and Levi's than ever. You'll come around soon enough. You could say you're 'almost ready.' China will develop fast enough and who knows , soon it might buy Taiwan back from USA. Taiwan is a tool for USA anyway. p.s. My name means Ming is "almost ready" for NBA, but not ready yet.
Well, I'm not positive about her size...but Diseased Monkey is a chick/woman/girl (whatever)...and I have heard she looks pretty good so I doubt she's over 200lbs.. but you might want to be afraid anyway...she's nuts!!
I am a chinese in Shanghai. I am a computer software engineer and hate plagiarism too. But Timing, I do not think you are talking about the country I am living. You are talking about a country your media made. I know persuade person is the most difficult thing in the world. So I really wish you can visit China(vacation or business), and so you can see the really China by your own eyes. Especially welcome to Shanghai! We are making our country better and better, althougt there are many things need to improve. But no matter how I am proud I am a chinese!
Awww, come one people. Let's not fight. Let's make sweet sweet love. Er, not to each other. Unless you know, you wanna. Then by all means! Go Rockets?
Wow, some of you are really fired up. I don't think Taiwan is something that we should get involved with. We would have less justification than in 'Nam. The only reason for us to be involved is to use Taiwan to contain China. And I'm not sure it's worth the blood of Americans, unless it's Cato's. Besides, how many of us can point out Taiwan on a map. Anyways, China is the #1 export market for Taiwan and the island has invested over ~$80 Billion on the mainland. So no matter how loud the politicians get, economics will ultimately determine the fate of both sides. And it is obvious that Taiwan with it's mutual culture and close economies will no doubt be united with China in the future.
In the most recent story this guy writes/translates from ESPN cluch mentioning story, http://espn.go.com/sportsbusiness/s/2002/0723/1409049.html http://sports.sina.com.cn/k/2002-07-25/0342290858.shtml he does have some twist at the begining, also no credit is given to ESPN. So this post does have positive impact. I believe he does visit his BBS. So to shi chen, I sugest you add "edited based on ESPN story". You will still get your freaking money. Please make us proud.
zmark: I know all about China and their continued support of North Korea, a regime responsible for some of the worst human rights violations in the entire world. I know personally about priests that have gone there to teach that have never been heard from again. It's not just the US' biased media, it is their media telling the people what they think they should hear. However, I do need to note that China has made incredible strides. The people are willing, and IMO when many of the current leaders in government pass on, more changes are bound to happen, hopefully for the better.
Yao Ming is the emerging threat and the Rockets are the next SUPERPOWER! Or Lakers is the current superpower and Rockets is the emerging SUPERPOWER. Final Judgement Day: June, 2004! (One more to get this thread to 100 posts).
