Lil , you slily put lots of things in your post attempting to demonize China in American readers mind. Let me get to the original point. Taiwan is not a country, it is a province of China occupied by the defeated side of a civil war. It's a fact backed up by thousand years' history, and a fact recognised by 185 countries (including USA, out of 200 something) which have formal relationships with China and reject the illegal attempt of Taiwan's independence. For those who are not familiar with this period of history: the current government of Taiwan was the government of the entire China before 1949. After being defeated in a civil war, they fled to this island Taiwan, which for THOUSAND of years, has been a province of China. Even the people who fled to Taiwan since has always claimed that they are government of China and will fight back to regain the control of the mainland. But there are some people in Taiwan, for various reasons, want independence. They want to cut away part of Chinese motherland and become their own country. They want take away part of our country and our history as if they are some pieces of commercial property. Of course it's illegal and against the will of most Chinese people and people all over the world. Nowadays the negotiation is going on at various levels to try to keep a peaceful environment and eventually solve this problem. For people like Lil, who want take Taiwan away from China, they would love a war between USA and China breaking out. They want a war between these two countries. They want a relationship between these two countries as bad as possible so they can benefit from it, such as buying more weapons from USA, gaining sympathy and being used by USA against China. Lil, I think you should stop dreaming. There are enough intelligent people in these two countries and they will make sure that war will never happen. If the war didn't break out in those dengerous 50', 60', 70', and 80' cold era, then it will never break out in the currently more informed and openly communicated world. So drop your dream and stop demonizing China. Let me add one more point from the dark side (as I told you, the war will never happen. I am just trying to help you, Lil), Do you think USA would engage in a nuclear war and lose literally tens of millions of lives ( China would lose more ) to support your independence? Think about it. It's tens of millions of lives. USA will do anything to avoid that situation. USA is built upon many foundations, two of them is PRACTICALITY and SELF-INTEREST. Those foundations make this country strong and enduring and they will be abided by. So Lil, please drop your war dream and stop demonizing China.
Since you ask, I will elaborate a little bit. One trick of the media is unbalanced report. Most of the time, the media don't lie. For example, everytime they report something about China, they always show a picture of a policeman, a soldier, a dissident. Doing this for several decades, the Americans will think they know what China is like. But most of the people who have visited China told me China is totally different from what they thought China was like. Why is that? Another example is the taiwan issue. Do you know that the former Taiwan president Li denghui's father was a Japanese policeman during WWII, his brother died in the Pillipines as a Japnese soldier, he himself always praise the Japanese colonial rule in taiwan and the invasion of China? If you don't know, why is that? Everybody in east Asia knows. You probably have heard China is a threat to its southeast Asian neighbors. But have you heard the Phillipines always detain Chinese fisherman in South China sea, and they still hold more than 100 Chinese fisherman even today? Falung Gong is reported in U.S. a lot. But do you know what Falung Gong is really about? The leader of Falung Gong, Li Hongzhi said Jesus is a low level god and he is a high level god governing all the gods including Jesus. Does the media here report that? Li Hongzhi also said science and technology was put into human's mind by aliens so that they could control us. Do you know that? The media do lie sometimes. Remember the Chinese dissident Harry Wu shot a video about Chinese government sold the organs of executed prisoners? I am not denying this could be true. I am pointing out the video was all fake. There was a scene in the video supposed to be the Chinese doctors were removing the kidney from a prisoner. Several American medical doctors that I worked with pointed out to me "That was a heart bypass surgery". Do you hear anything in the American media? Another tactic of the media is to spread some rumors first. If the truth is not as they expected, they don't follow it up. But the damage has been done. Remember FBI investigated the mass graves in Yugoslavia supposed to hold tens of thousands of bodies. What was the result of that investigation? Have you heard anything about that in the U.S. media? I don't want to go on and on. I see this kind of stuff on CNN,NBC,ABC,CBS everyday. That is why I don't watch much news anymore. Instead, I watch Rockets all the time. That is something decent and enjoyable.
The point is that you're obviously biased just like you're attacking this person from Taiwan. You think you're uppity capitalists but you're still stone age communists. Big time denial there. You think this copyright problem stems from lack of government control but of course one of the staples of communism is government control. That's pretty ironic. As far as morality is concerned, China is regarded as one of the world's worst violators of human rights. You going to hide behind media bias on that one? China isn't exactly known for giving weak punishment on crime so I dunno where you're going there. I recall reading about someone in China being given the death penalty for fraud. Perhaps China is lax in enforcing copyrights because nobody is stealing from them. It's not hurting their economy any now is it? (Can we have our stolen nuclear secrets back by the way? Oh nevermind.) I'm not talking peer to peer sharing like Napster which was litigated in US courts and the service has now been shut down. I'm talking about walking down the streets of Hong Kong and being able to buy fake DVD's the day after the movie releases in the US. That's not only the theft of the material but an actual sale of it. I don't recall hearing about any college kids here selling DVD's out of their dorm rooms, certainly not on a massive scale like what goes on in China, Indonesia, etc. You know our media isn't state run and people can ask whatever they want here without fear of being thrown under a prison so you might want to get used to Chinese issues being brought up when it comes to Yao playing in the US. One day some reporter will stumble upon the angle of Yao enjoying the freedoms of our country which a billion Chinese cannot simply because he can play basketball and they can't. That same reporter might even point out that by buying basketball tickets to Rockets games you're actually lining the pockets of a despicable communist regime. Yao is actually pretty fortunate to have landed in Houston though, the Rockets are about as tight lipped as any team in the league and we only have one newspaper so Yao will be protected well I'm sure. Well until Blinebury gets to him.
Timing, please read TechLabor's post on this same page. It was written by someone ( I think ) has lived both in China and USA for many years. Have you been to China ever in your life? You sounded like someone who has never left Houston. You need to be better informed. That "get our nuclear secret back" story was very old and apprently you don't know the truth revealed by that case. As this kind of discussion is going on, we on both side will be better informed. That's a good thing.
Thanks for the reply TL. On one thing I agree completely: national/international news can be wearying at times, and it's nice to have something like the Rockets as a diversion. Not to mention this fabulous website where we all can share opinions. Now as far as your main point: I appreciate the examples you cite, and several of them have piqued my interest enough that I might just follow up on them to see what the real scoop is. But forgive me if I don't see how now the US media, by not vigorously reporting these stories, is engaging in "brainwashing." Has it occured to you that territorial disputes over fishing waters in the South China Sea, family connections to WWII Japanese military, or personal beliefs of Chinese cult leaders may simply not be of much interest to the average US consumer, and therefore deemed unnewsworthy by major media editors and publishers? Or that a lack of intensive followup reporting on Balkan atrocities may merely be an indication that the average US person has moved on from that particular story to other Big Stories like Enron, Worldcom, etc.? Don't mistake me - I by no means am saying that American mass media are superb. Their coverage, being oftentimes slick, superficial, and more geared to entertainment rather than education or enlightenment, is too often based on what sells rather than what's really important. But to suggest, as you seem to be doing, that the mass media are somehow being manipulated by the US government to "brainwash" consumers - well, I'm waiting to see the evidence of THAT.
Is this your idea of shoot the messenger game play? I haven't been to China so I couldn't possibly know what goes on there? Mmkaay buddy.
AlmostReady, with all due respect to your patriotism, I think your attack on Lil was a little out of line. First off, you seemed to automatically assume that he supports Taiwanese independence, but I didn't read anything in his posts that suggested that. I think the only thing he said even remotely connected to the issue is that he resents the Chinese state-controlled media hurling insults like "scum of the earth" or "rotten stench" against popularly elected Taiwanese officials (I assume you wouldn't appreciate it if a foreign newspaper said these things about PRC officials).
It might be prudent to note that the current government of the People's Republic of China has NEVER been in control of Taiwan. Not sure why a relatively new political entity has a right to 'take back' (if you want to look at it that way) a country that is currently DEMOCRATIC and whose citizens DO NOT want to become part of the PRC. China is notorious for their lack of cooperation internationally on issues like piracy of intellectual property. Maybe if they spent a little less on new missles to lob at Taiwan they could get the problem under control. Of course they would have to WANT to do that, and there are no signs currently that its the case. Does that make Chinese evil? Absolutely not. But Chinese do not hold 'individual rights' in the same esteem as Americans, rather the emphasis is on the collective. Hence the arguments that justify the poor medical students who steal 'cause they can't afford the books, and saying 'they wouldn't sell in China anyway. Maybe if China actually opened its markets a solution could be worked out. As it is the PRC profits from the illegal trade and shuts out US companies at the same time.
Lobo, I see your point. I agree most Americans are not interested in several things that I mentioned. But I still think Falong Gong is a good example. You can do some research on that. See what Falong Gong is really up to and why U.S. is supporting it so much. I heard they got 10 million dollars funding from the U.S. government. I cannot verify this. But I know they have money. They are giving out free newspapers in Chinatown everyweek. They also hi-jacked several Chinese communication satellite signals through unknown ships in open sea. If you do some reseach on Falong Gong, be aware that they give out different information in English and Chinese. Falong Gong is anti christianity and anti science. I don't think American consumers have much interet in it. Then why the media have so much interest in it? Well, you may find it entertaining if you really read their articles. A British friend of mine asked me a question before. Why the news about Isreal are headline news everyday for decades? What is the population of Isreal? What is the population of China India, or U.K.? My question is do you feel it entertaining hearing similar news for thirty years? I am not anti jewish. The jews are intelligent and hard working people. I am just pointing out the news has a lot of political motives in addition to the commercial interests.
Well, Timing, when talking about China, you are at a big information dis-advantage if you have not visited or lived there for a period of time. At best, your information is second handed, and often time multiple-handed, like most Americans China has many many serious problems, but it has made huge progress in the past 20 years, BUT: US politicians: They like to paint China as an evil country ready to launch a war against US, so these politicians can show his/her toughness on communist/dictatorship/whatever, and that stance is very appealing to the freedom-loving American people. By doing so, they also gain huge support from defense industry ( those bastards make weapons and loooooove to have an enemy, any enemy, real or imaginary, so they can get contract. Timing, you should not be fooled by the politicians' words, those are for show. Their actions are different. For example, U.S congress voted "yes" to award China "the most favored Nation" status for a straight 15 years. That status facilitate and boost US-China trade. You see, they actually know what's more important to American people (money or "human rights" in China). Your politicians dumped long-time friend Taiwan in 1972 and established formal relationship with communist China for various strategic and economic benefit). For small things (such as Olympic bid), those folks put up a show for you and American voters. But for big issues, they know dealing with China is for American people's interest. US mass media: They are driven by the need to make more money and competition. And to succeed, they need viewership. And in order to appeal normal people, they air those extreme stories, horror stories, and threatening stories, if it's with blood, it's even better. So here you go, China, what a good source of horror stories. You are communism, anyway. If I report that you are doing bad thing A, bad thing B, who cares to verify? Those stories comfortably comply with that formula American people have been told in his/her whole life: China==communism==horror. Yet there are also some short-sighted Americans and westerners who are afraid of China's development. They fear a new economic power will compete against them. I think a modern China is great for the interest of all people in the world. I know there might be some over simplifications in my rant. But you get the idea.
Lobo, here is a quote from Lil: And this is in a country (Taiwan) where Press Freedoms and Journalistic practices is at least 20-30 years more advanced than China HayesStreet, It might be prudent to note that the current government of the People's Republic of China has NEVER been in control of Taiwan. Not sure why a relatively new political entity has a right to 'take back' (if you want to look at it that way) a country So you mean if a country has a new government, at the moment of the power transfer, all its land is up for grab. That's an unbelievable thought. a country that is currently DEMOCRATIC and whose citizens DO NOT want to become part of the PRC First of all, it's not a country, yet. So your word "country" and "citizens" don't hold up legally. Second, last time I heard that a group of people in a North Dakota village voted 100 to 0 in a democratic election to set up a new country. Unfortunately, it's illegal. The point is, you don't allow a group of people to take away part of your country by THAT group's election. How about a vote by all people in the US to decide that North Dakota village's independence. What's the chance to pass it? Now we are getting some where.
Frankly speaking, most Americans have a very good education in China affairs. They have a degree of PhD (Permanently Head Damaged). I also got the same degree because I was brain washed in China for 25 years, and then being washed the other way for 11 years. This is why there is not much point arguing this kind of topics. We will never agree on some issues. On the other hand, there are plenty of other things that we share the same interest. We should focus on those things. One of these common interests is to beat the "Fakers". I am getting out of here before you guys kill me.
Watch out, a foot-long Subway's coming. Yes I said this Taiwan dude is biased, does that make me biased? Nice logic there. I also said he's a Chinese and he doesn't want to admit it, did you see him denying it? or any response at all from him on this? Nope. If you don't know much about the Taiwan issue, my advice is to stay out of it. First you accused me being biased for trying justify copyright infringement in China, when all I did was trying to explain the reasons behind it. Now suddenly the reason for me being baised is that I said bad things about some people, what's next? Each and every Forbes 500 strong has its subsidiary in China. Our stone age communist government is surely treating them well. Oh wait a minute, maybe the welcome to these capitalists is just a vicious scheme to attract them and then kill them all in China. I am so scared now! The stone age communists has promised to maintain the capitalism in Hong Kong, and they'been done that for 5 years, but who knows, why stone age communists tolerate capitalism on their land? maybe tomorrow Hong Kong will be red! People, don't come to Hong Kong anymore for you life!!!!!! Now you've changed my mind again. Because one of the staples of communism is government control and that includes crime control, so China's crime rate will be so much better than any other capitalistic countries or regions. Think about it, it's not too bad if Hong Kong turn red tomorrow, at least I can live safer. I don't agree with the worst violators of human rights at all, but I'm not gonna blame you since you live in America. However, even if it's true, that the Chinese government is low on morality as they violates human right constantly. It has absolutely no bearing on their failure on containing copyright infringement. It's not about morality, or non-caring about acts of theft, as you'd like to say the Chinese government ignore such crimes as they are low on morailty. It's about interest. Big time national interest. The fake industries hurt China in so many ways it's impossible for the government not want to crack them. For example, the Chinese gaming and software industry, contrary to what you might believe, is the biggest victim of the fake CDs, not the foreign ones. An American game company can survive on its healthy domestic market and make extra money overseas. Not the case with a Chinese one. As a result, the Chinese companies are forced to lower their prices so much as to be competitive against fake CDs, which drastically lowers their profit and make them either hard to compete with foreign competitors, or go bankrupt. The same goes for the movie and publishing industry etc. See above. As to the stolen nuclear secrets, I recall it's about Dr Li Wen Ho. For your information, he's released as not guilty a long time ago. The judge of federal court apologized to him for the unfair treatment he received from the US government. Another vain attempt by some American politicians to frame China. There's no difference between actual sale in streets and barter on the internet. They are all illegal COPY AND DISTRIBUTION FOR VALUE IN RETURN WITHOUT THE AUTHOR'S CONSENT. They all hurt the author's interest. It's as clear as daylight. Also, although Napster went down, there's still so many P2Ps running wild without being punished. Napster is just the tip of the iceberg, why is the US government not cracking program company's like Limewire, Kazaa, Morpheus, Winmx and so many others? Why vast amount counted in millions of Americans keep using them if they have such high morality? I am not pointing fingers to anyone, I'm just saying don't hold DOUBLE STANDARDS when it comes to China. Sorry, I live in Hong Kong where we can say whatever we want as well. It's not like only USA has freedom of speech. So you just missed this one. So you have freedom of speech, and you enjoy it, and now according to you, when people whose freedom was deprived by their government, comes over to communicate, should shut up when their country was offended just because they don't know better? Ok, media in China is run by government officials and is totally unreliable, all lies and distortions. Media in USA is run by businessmen, therefore must be of extremely high quality. Political interest VS Monetary interest. Hm..I like that. I lived in China for 13 years, several years in Hong Kong, several years in USA. I have only one conclusion about media in general. They all suck! They all Stink! They all reek of distortions, lies and misleadings. They are all the bubble machines and mind controlling tools no matter it's politically driven in China or monetary driven in USA. In my eyes, there is no serious advantage for anyone in any country, under whatever media, having freedom of speech or not, demand anyone to shut up as they don't know better, as the medias suck in any country. Hell, if it was not the media Princess Diana wouldn't die. The fact that England has freedom of speech doens't prevent medias making up indecent stories which insult their royal family. Media is run by humans. Humans make mistakes and somtimes on purpose. Over controlling media and under controlling media are not the ways to keep media in check. Media is a problem in the whole world, not just China. How to keep media in check while ensures freedom of speech is something needs to be worked on. This is just my opinion, I know it's hard to swallow for you, but take it for what it worths. Please be better informed and don't think that USA is the heaven in the world. I had chance to try tostay in USA but I chose coming back as I am a Chinese and proud to be, I love my country and want to live at her border, in a city called Hong Kong which also belongs to her. As a sidedish, there's many foreigners that come to China, found out they love it, and set their homes there. These include Americans. Go to Guilin, a famous scenary spot in China, and watch for people all over the world make it their homes. If the lack of freedoms in China is so repressive, why would they come and stay? So you are advocating to stop importing everything you use(ok a lil exaggeration)from China? What good does it do to you? Shi Cheng, if you are reading all these you should be ashamed of yourself and appologize. But don't say "I'm sorry but it's not an apology".
TL, I like Persistent Hermone Disorder better. Frankly, Taiwan issue desearves a thesis, I don't have time for it. I tend to think Governments of differents countries are more alike than dislike, and people of different countries are more alike than dislike.
Originally posted by almostReady Well, Timing, when talking about China, you are at a big information dis-advantage if you have not visited or lived there for a period of time. I'd say if you live in China you're at a big disadvantage when it comes to rationally discussing your government and it's abuses. US politicians: They like to paint China as an evil country ready to launch a war against US, so these politicians can show his/her toughness on communist/dictatorship/whatever, and that stance is very appealing to the freedom-loving American people. No politician here needs to tell anyone about your evil government. We haven't run into any nice friendly communists in a long time. By doing so, they also gain huge support from defense industry ( those bastards make weapons and loooooove to have an enemy, any enemy, real or imaginary, so they can get contract. Yeah it's all in our imagination. I bet Tibet is wondering what that imaginary Chinese army there. Taiwan shouldn't be afraid I guess. you should not be fooled by the politicians' words, those are for show. Actually in this country when a politician says something there are immediately hundreds of journalists telling us all why he's full of it. The same certainly can't be said in China though I'm sure. Their actions are different. For example, U.S congress voted "yes" to award China "the most favored Nation" status for a straight 15 years. That status facilitate and boost US-China trade. You shouldn't mistake political ass kissing for how we really feel about your government. We may be "freedom loving" people but we're also capitalists who are out to make money at every corner. At some point the Chinese people have to do something for themselves. You see, they actually know what's more important to American people (money or "human rights" in China). Your politicians dumped long-time friend Taiwan in 1972 and established formal relationship with communist China for various strategic and economic benefit). For small things (such as Olympic bid), those folks put up a show for you and American voters. But for big issues, they know dealing with China is for American people's interest. What does this have to do with your government? You have a billion people for us to sell things to and it's perfectly naive for anyone to expect the US to ignore that. We also prop up the King of Saudi Arabia to get cheap oil while he oppresses his people. That doesn't make either of your governments any less despicable. US mass media: They are driven by the need to make more money and competition. And to succeed, they need viewership. And in order to appeal normal people, they air those extreme stories, horror stories, and threatening stories, if it's with blood, it's even better. So here you go, China, what a good source of horror stories. You are communism, anyway. If I report that you are doing bad thing A, bad thing B, who cares to verify? Those stories comfortably comply with that formula American people have been told in his/her whole life: China==communism==horror. Yeah, communism is pretty bad. This is pretty much acknowledged to be true around the world. Maybe if you live in a communist nation you don't know any different but trust me on this one. Communism=bad. Yet there are also some short-sighted Americans and westerners who are afraid of China's development. They fear a new economic power will compete against them. I think a modern China is great for the interest of all people in the world. And what does this have to do with your government and communism? A modern China with tanks rolling over students is about the same to me as the current China with tanks rolling over students. Give me a call when you're free.
Originally posted by panda Yes I said this Taiwan dude is biased, does that make me biased? Nice logic there. Um let's see... he's biased against China because he's from Taiwan but you're not biased for China because you're presumably Chinese. It was your logic not mine but it seems to follow pretty well to me. I also said he's a Chinese and he doesn't want to admit it, did you see him denying it? or any response at all from him on this? Nope. If you don't know much about the Taiwan issue, my advice is to stay out of it. I don't have to stay out of anything. I'm an American and I can go stick my nose in whatever I want. Freedom is cool. As long as we're militarily supporting the "freedom loving" people of Taiwan from communists, China will sit there and twiddle it's thumbs. Mark it down. First you accused me being biased for trying justify copyright infringement in China, when all I did was trying to explain the reasons behind it. Now suddenly the reason for me being baised is that I said bad things about some people, what's next? No I said you were biased because you're presumably Chinese defending copyright infringement in China. That's not hard to follow. Each and every Forbes 500 strong has its subsidiary in China. Our stone age communist government is surely treating them well. Oh wait a minute, maybe the welcome to these capitalists is just a vicious scheme to attract them and then kill them all in China. I am so scared now! The stone age communists has promised to maintain the capitalism in Hong Kong, and they'been done that for 5 years, but who knows, why stone age communists tolerate capitalism on their land? maybe tomorrow Hong Kong will be red! So you're not communists? You have freedom of speech, press, assembly, religion, politics, etc.? If so let me know, maybe I missed that. People, don't come to Hong Kong anymore for you life!!!!!! Has Godzilla crossed the ocean? Damn... Now you've changed my mind again. Because one of the staples of communism is government control and that includes crime control, so China's crime rate will be so much better than any other capitalistic countries or regions. Think about it, it's not too bad if Hong Kong turn red tomorrow, at least I can live safer. Just watch out for the tanks man and watch what you say and what you do and who you associate with... or wait they're already watching for you. How nice of the government to keep you all nice and safe. I don't agree with the worst violators of human rights at all, but I'm not gonna blame you since you live in America. However, even if it's true, that the Chinese government is low on morality as they violates human right constantly. It has absolutely no bearing on their failure on containing copyright infringement. You're not going to blame me since I live in America? Thanks I guess. So you don't believe that China holds political prisoners, sells the organs of executed inmates, conducts forced abortions, or anything like that then? You really don't hear about that in the Chinese media? That's verrrrry surprising. It's not about morality, or non-caring about acts of theft, as you'd like to say the Chinese government ignore such crimes as they are low on morailty. It's about interest. Big time national interest. The fake industries hurt China in so many ways it's impossible for the government not want to crack them. For example, the Chinese gaming and software industry, contrary to what you might believe, is the biggest victim of the fake CDs, not the foreign ones. An American game company can survive on its healthy domestic market and make extra money overseas. Not the case with a Chinese one. As a result, the Chinese companies are forced to lower their prices so much as to be competitive against fake CDs, which drastically lowers their profit and make them either hard to compete with foreign competitors, or go bankrupt. The same goes for the movie and publishing industry etc. Well I'll have to honestly take your word on that but if you're from Hong Kong you know exactly the kind of DVD selling I'm talking about. See above. As to the stolen nuclear secrets, I recall it's about Dr Li Wen Ho. For your information, he's released as not guilty a long time ago. The judge of federal court apologized to him for the unfair treatment he received from the US government. Another vain attempt by some American politicians to frame China. You're big on American conspiracies. Do you happen to know who killed Kennedy? FYI, not guilty doesn't mean innocent unless you're an OJ fan. There's no difference between actual sale in streets and barter on the internet. They are all illegal COPY AND DISTRIBUTION FOR VALUE IN RETURN WITHOUT THE AUTHOR'S CONSENT. Of course there's a difference. I can share things over the net that I would never buy anywhere but an actual sale is one less sale that may very well have happened. Plus someone is conducting a business with someone else's work which is certainly different from collecting MP3's that don't exactly pay the rent. They all hurt the author's interest. It's as clear as daylight. Also, although Napster went down, there's still so many P2Ps running wild without being punished. Napster is just the tip of the iceberg, why is the US government not cracking program company's like Limewire, Kazaa, Morpheus, Winmx and so many others? Why vast amount counted in millions of Americans keep using them if they have such high morality? There has been a lot of litigation on the legality of file sharing. That's why the government waits for companies to file suit and prove their case before they close companies down. We don't have an electronics gestapo. Someone files a complaint against a company and then we follow the process. Sorry, I live in Hong Kong where we can say whatever we want as well. It's not like only USA has freedom of speech. So you just missed this one. Oh right, three countries four systems... I forget how it goes. If you lived in a different part of China I'm sure you'd have a different perspective on what goes on there. So you have freedom of speech, and you enjoy it, and now according to you, when people whose freedom was deprived by their government, comes over to communicate, should shut up when their country was offended just because they don't know better? Your country is communist and is one of the world's largest violators of copyrights. If that offends you then how is that my fault? This board is about real discussion, sometimes anyway. If you just want people to agree with whatever you say then I think you'll be disappointed. I lived in China for 13 years, several years in Hong Kong, several years in USA. I have only one conclusion about media in general. They all suck! They all Stink! They all reek of distortions, lies and misleadings. They are all the bubble machines and mind controlling tools no matter it's politically driven in China or monetary driven in USA. In my eyes, there is no serious advantage for anyone in any country, under whatever media, having freedom of speech or not, demand anyone to shut up as they don't know better, as the medias suck in any country. Well this is where you're completely wrong. Media is an important tool because it keeps government and business accountable to the people. Without the media the government could do what it wants and nobody would know, kind of like China. The media's job is just to throw all the info out there. That doesn't mean it's not biased in some places and that there aren't distortions. That's why there is more than one newspaper, more than one tv channel, etc. We hear all the views presented and decide for ourselves. The Chinese don't get that choice and that's the difference. All you hear is what the government wants you to hear. We have thousands of reporters that make a living on ripping our government every day. Please be better informed and don't think that USA is the heaven in the world. I have it on good authority that the USA is an awesome place to live but thanks for your opinion. As a sidedish, there's many foreigners that come to China, found out they love it, and set their homes there. These include Americans. Go to Guilin, a famous scenary spot in China, and watch for people all over the world make it their homes. If the lack of freedoms in China is so repressive, why would they come and stay? Why are you asking me? I wouldn't move to a communist country for anything in the world. Ask yourself why you stayed there. Of course you live in Hong Kong which is the most westernized part of China. You're not exactly hurting I imagine.
Hey guys, I am a Chinese American and this is my first post. May I have a suggestion? How about not starting world war 3 before Ming step his foot on US? Now we know that Chinese are perpetual cheats and liars and American are "Permanently Head Damaged". We all have our fun, can we just stop now? At least take this subject to a more approapriate place. thanks,
Permenantly Head Damaged?!? Hey!! I take offence to that.! Oh wait a minute.... never mind.... I just forgot what I was sayin...duuhhh j/k "Can't we all just get along?"
