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Chinese Dissident Receives Nobel Peace Prize

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Baqui99, Oct 8, 2010.

  1. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    I love it when people resort to name-calling against me. It's a clear admission they can't defeat the point I'm making and I feel it validates my position as being strong.

    When you can get someone to resort to name calling, you've completely out-debated them.

    Or it means that they have pretty poor debate skills to begin with. Same difference I suppose.
     
  2. meh

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    Black and white? Or shades of gray?

    Thanks for making my point for me.
     
  3. meh

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    Sorry, ignore the bolded part of the last post. I was going to comment on it, but decided against it and forgot to unbold it.
     
  4. MFW

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    I think this little bit of mental masturbation needs to be quoted and highlighted for effect.

    Gee, and here I thought that the Tea Party and "Socialism with Chinese characteristics" are on the opposite sides of the political spectrum, especially considering that taxes are high in China and the markets in China are the most highly regulated in the world. My mistake.

    And excuse me, which villages are being decimated by cancer in China?

    By Chinese government's own accounts, there were what, 120,000 large scale protests in China, double the previous year. I'd say the Chinese people are criticizing its government just fine. But then ran along a moronic little twerp such as yourself and apparently poof, they all disappeared. Ha ha. Only a self-professed freedom lover can perform such impressive magic tricks.

    As stated already, since you're a moron, calling you a moron isn't being pro CCP.

    A frog sits at the bottom of the well, telling people what goes on outside the well, as if he knew jack **** about what really happens out there. I should write a story on this. Oh wait, there is one.
     
  5. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jun/07/china-cancer-villages-industrial-pollution

    Really sad.

    It occurs to me that perhaps some of the posters here don't like the criticism because they feel its a ulterior way of putting them down and saying the U.S. is superior.

    I'd just like to say that every nation does that to every other nation - thus the term nationalism. But more often than not, especially from an American, we are so used to be criticized both justly and unjustly, I think we are pretty thick skinned against it and are surprised when others react strongly to the criticism we lay out.
     
  6. Ubiquitin

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    I am looking forward to when you're banned.
     
  7. TheBornLoser

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    Seriously, Sweet Lou, where do you get most of your facts from? The only time I have ever read factual posturing so faulty, limited and one sided, is when I read Tea Party criticisms of the US government and the Democrats. Your ... assumptions and statements against China are essentially cut from the same cloth and style of the Tea Party's way of thinking, reasoning and attacking.

    I don't have time at the moment to point out all the poor misconceptions you have in your various posts in this thread, but do note that the Legatum Index, from which you made your statement that India has leapfrogged China in terms of quality of life, measures things like personal freedom and democracy. I doubt it takes into account India's 40% of the population living below the poverty line, 50% of all babies / children being undernourished (severely), only a 60% literacy rate, and countless other poor accomplishments.

    And I am not sure whether you know these facts or are educated in history, but FYI, India became independent and a democracy in 1947 / 1950! The Chinese only started opening up in 1980. India had a 30 year headstart in terms of opening up to the international community, and a 60 year headstart on democracy. Yet, China is the world's #2 economy (despite not having a "high quality of life"), has a 90% literacy rate, poverty rate of around 10% (from 90% in 1980), and has an economy FOUR TIMES OF INDIA! I mean, China isn't a democracy and it doesn't have freedom of speech. It must be doing something wrong to have an economy 4 times bigger than India's when, in 1980, it was SMALLER than India's! Poor stupid China.

    I will reply to your many other flawed and wild generalizations once I have some time off from my work :grin:
     
  8. Ubiquitin

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    India's economy did not open up until 1991. Before then it was a protectionist state.
     
  9. TheBornLoser

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    It was a democracy since 1950 and opened up to the international community. It had freedom of speech and right to vote. It's economy was bigger than China's in 1980. Its people, except for the folks in Kashmir, have been allowed to criticise their government far more than the Chinese. I mean, despite their economy being only 4 times smaller than China's, the Indians must be superior to the Chinese according to Sweet Lou!!!

    :grin:
     
  10. Ubiquitin

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    China has been a republic since 1949 as well.
     
  11. MFW

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    Yes yes, I've heard you say that at least twice in this thread. You know what the problem is with shooting the messenger? The message is still there. It's still true. An while I'm chuckling at somehow being banned from an internet forum is a legitimate threat, you're still a moron. Whether I'm gone, the message is still there. It's still true.

    Yes yes, I've heard this before too. Actually, coming from highly comparable conditions when both countries gained independence, despite the disastrous GLF and Cultural Revolution, long before Deng Xiaoping gained power, China already left India in the dust. Because even Mao the economic moron recognized the importance of infrastructure, education, literacy, etc. What happened 1978 onwards is merely the tripling of the Indian economy. But I'm sure the Indians will tell you somehow they're the tortoise in the fairy tale when they didn't do jack **** over the last 60 years.

    Which actually raises an interesting point. Since India is a democracy, and supposedly democracy is so critical to economic development, why is it so far behind?

    Now I see only two logical conclusions:
    1. It always was fundamentals as supposed to pathetic political ideology that drives growth.
    2. India is so pathetic and hopeless that even democracy can pull it out of a **** hole.

    Take you pick.
     
  12. MFW

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    *can't.
     
  13. TheBornLoser

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    *cough* Communist *cough* evil dirty word *cough*
     
  14. Ubiquitin

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    I'm a moron for acknowledging your existence. The fact is that I am a citizen of the world's richest and most powerful nation ever who is also receiving the best medical education in the world. You're just some Chinese fanboi.
     
  15. Ubiquitin

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    India was socialist and China was communist, yet both are poorer for the experience.
     
  16. MFW

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    *Chuckles again. I've mentioned Ah Q earlier in this thread, a book no doubt you've never read. Ah Q, who has no redeeming quality of his own, felt quite honoured when he was beat up by a wealth local landlord, with self-importance from being associated with such an individual.

    I see that the spirit of Ah Q is alive and well and manifests itself in the Indian inferiority complex to be associated with an adopted homeland, not native to his own.

    Well, while we're measuring dicks, my wife is an actually practicing MD who is licensed in three other countries other than the states of New York and Connecticut and I make five times what she makes. Do the math.

    But that's good, forget about actually being licensed. When you actually become board eligible, or at least made head way in your residency, come back again. You can tell me all about what a fanboy I am.
     
  17. Mr. Clutch

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    I guess your wife has a huge dick.
     
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    lol...so you are saying stability is NOT the foundation for any growing economy? you are kidding right? right now for China NOTHING is more important than social stability. The sole reason for the lack of development for the country in the last 100-150 years is because of social instability caused by a bad economy. it has only been stable for like 30-40 years. So you are willing to give up economic growth for freedom of speech? :rolleyes: offcourse not saying freedom of speech=to less economic growth. But for the country, it is too big a risk to have the change now. So whether you like it or not, its not gonna happen anytime soon. Simply put, the country is not gonna do anything that will risk any harm to its economic growth.

    please give an arguement instead of making personal attacks. please stop labeling me as 五毛黨 (to be honest i have no idea what that is). I said what I feel. offcourse me coming from a business background will skew my views, but I just stated what I felt is most important. If you disagree...please say why instead of just acting like a little kid and start calling names.
     
  19. MFW

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    Oh wow, that had me rolling. I've never heard that one before. Nope never. That's so clever and creative. Oh wait, I have. When I was in fifth grade.

    Intelligent retorts (or intelligence in general) never was your forte was it?
     
  20. Mr. Clutch

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    India is doing fine.

    http://www.economist.com/node/17145035
     
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